Butrflynet
 
  1  
Tue 4 Nov, 2008 11:58 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Im just jealous of the kds whove turned 21 in this election and had their first opportunity to have been part of such a major change in the countrys direction.


You had a part in it too, FM. They're YOUR kids and grandkids. I'd say OUR but I don't have any kids.

Don't feel jealous. Feel very proud.
McTag
 
  2  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 02:04 am
@Butrflynet,

The best speech of the night for me, did not come from Chicago.

Senator McCain was magnificent in his concession speech.

Thank you, Sir. And I hope your supporters listened to your words.
Butrflynet
 
  1  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 02:21 am
@McTag,
I posted the text of McCain's speech here if anyone didn't see it:

http://able2know.org/topic/124773-23#post-3463001
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Diest TKO
 
  2  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 02:39 am
@farmerman,
I just limped back home from DC. I took my camera and got some great footage. I will post it as soon as can, but right now I've got to heal.

I must say though, I saw my generation alive and awake tonight in a way I never knew was possible.

T
K
O
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 03:08 am
@McTag,
One of the most immediate differences over the current incumbent is likely to be in the improved quality of presidential speeches. There were no garbled words during Obama's 15-minute speech before jubilant crowds in Chicago.

"It's been a long time coming, but tonight, because of what we did on this day, in this election, at this defining moment, change has come to America," he said.

"And to all those watching tonight from beyond our shores, from parliaments and palaces to those who are huddled around radios in the forgotten corners of our world - our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand."


JPB
 
  2  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 03:34 am
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

Didn't want to derail nimh's thread about Republicans. This can become the equivalent about Democrats, but my initial question is: Would Obama work, after all?

I have personally loved him but have been hesitant to back the idea of a presidential bid in 2008 for three main reasons, and also the ways they interact:

- Race
- Admitted drug use
- Inexperience

I'm wondering if they may not be as crippling as I had thought, though.

Race: If Hillary is really the presumed nominee, race could be in his favor in getting the nomination. Part of what is exciting about Hillary is that she could actually maybe (I don't think so, but in theory) be the first woman president. It's much more exciting to make the nominee another inspirational groundbreaker rather than defaulting to yet another old white guy.

Admitted drug use: While this is bad, it's the kind of thing that just possibly could play up a couple of Republican weaknesses. One is that he's already taken full responsibility. Sure, he tried it, he didn't like it, let's move on. I think that kind of full disclosure and accepting responsibility might be seen as refreshing by the electorate. Another is that it's the kind of thing that if the Republicans pounce on, it might just make THEM look bad. "Oh, sure, smear the black candidate with the drug allegations, dirty politics again." I think people are really sick of that crap.

Inexperience: This is the one that has changed the most since Obama first came up. I, personally, like to have a leader with a lot of experience. But things I've read here and that I've seen in general seem to be indicating that the zeitgeist is more towards "FRESH START." Get rid of the lying liars, the politicos, the fat cats. Get a breath of fresh air in there, someone with integrity and enthusiasm. Obama has that, in spades.

Things I've always liked about him:

Public speaking skills: This guy is GOOD.

Bipartisan appeal: He did amazing work in connecting to Republicans in Illinois, and has gotten a good reaction among many Republicans I know.

Savvy: He's made a lot of good decisions, politically.

Charisma: He's got it.

Idealism: This goes back to what I said re: inexperienced -- I think it's something that people really like to see, and can be especially good when paired with young.

Humor: Slightly different than charisma, and what made me start this thread. Read Maureen Dowd's column about his performance at a press dinner on Saturday (?), and it sounds like he did an amazing job.

Quote:
In the capital's version of "Dancing with the Stars," Senator Obama won, turning in a smoothy, funny performance that lifted him from his tyro track.

He tweaked fellow Democrats, telling the white-tie crowd: "Men in tails. Women in gowns. An orchestra playing, as folks reminisce about the good old days. Kind of like dinner at the Kerry's."

He mocked the president's unauthorized snooping, saying he'd "asked my staff to conduct all phone conversations in the Kenyan dialect of Luo." He advised W. to "spy on the Weather Channel, and find out when the big storms are coming."

After saying that he'd ejoyed the Olympic baithlon of shooting and skiing, he, deadpan, turned to Dick Cheney: "Probably not your sport, Mr. President."


She points out that Obama is 44, and that JFK, "who had a reputation as a callow playboy and lawmaker who barely knew his way around the Hill, was 43 when he became president."

What I know for sure is that when I think of all of the possible Democratic nominees, my reaction ranges from "could be OK" to "OH LORD PLEASE NO!!!", with one exception. Obama is the only one who makes me think, "Oh man, that would be SO great!!"

What do you think?


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Vietnamnurse
 
  2  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 07:30 am
@JPB,
Thanks, Soz, for a great thread! Yes, he answered your questions and he won. My white/African American grandchildren are thrilled to see such a momentous achievment. I am still shaking....
We opened a bottle of great Champagne, cried, hugged and danced around the kitchen...my husband and daughter with me. The grandchildren in bed. The precinct I canvassed in Virginia went to Obama! Yeah!!!!
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 07:36 am
@sozobe,
That family, walking out onto the stage, marks one of the signal points of my lifetime. My singular regret is that so many, my parents included, didn't see this day. You deserve all the jubilation you are feeling, soz.
blueflame1
 
  2  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 07:39 am
Grandma Obama. http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/599/slide_599_12446_large.jpg
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sozobe
 
  3  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:41 am
@blatham,
Jubilation is a good word.

Thanks all. Group hug!


I'm still more in the basking phase than the analytical/ recap phase, but I thought of a keyword for this one ("hanging-chad squeaker") and found it back via Google -- from January 4th, 2008:

Quote:
Spare thought when I saw the final results [of Iowa primary] -- wouldn't it be amazing if our next election isn't one of those hanging-chad squeakers? If the next president doesn't just win but WINS with a really resounding majority?


http://able2know.org/topic/71145-308#post-3022173

Yep. Amazing.
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revel
 
  1  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 10:59 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I have to admit I fell asleep before I even knew for sure if he won and missed his acceptance speech. Feel as if I missed out on witnessing history. But here it is in its entirety on transcript.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20081105/pl_ynews/ynews_pl135
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spendius
 
  0  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 01:12 pm
It was an odd looking frock Michelle had on for the triumphal presentation. Did no one notice it?
maporsche
 
  1  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 01:14 pm
@Diest TKO,
I saw it too Diest in Chicago....it upset me enough to leave early.
Gargamel
 
  1  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 01:17 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

It was an odd looking frock Michelle had on for the triumphal presentation. Did no one notice it?


I, too, was more concerned with the first-family-elect's fashion choices than the profound and historic nature of the moment. I'm hoping the E! network will do a segment on it.
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JPB
 
  2  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 01:17 pm
These are not my words but they sum up precisely the mood in the crowd last night at the end of Obama's acceptance speech.

"Obama requested that the evening be kept simple and there were no live perfomers, no fireworks, no over the top displays. This was a gathering of people to roll up the sleeves and get to work. It felt more like the morning gathering at a Habitat site. OK, let's get to work. We don't celebrate the fact we are going to build a house. We get our jobs, build the house, then celebrate. We havea house to build today. Let's get started!"

The moment in his speech that touched me most was the moment when he called for an increase in personal responsibility and service. I hope and pray that we figure out a way to make that happen.

Let's hope this is the beginning of a new era where people care more about each other regardless of their background, religion, economic status, race, or any other historical dividing line.
maporsche
 
  1  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 01:20 pm
@JPB,
There was a lot of celebrating in the crowd though JPB (at least on my side of the park); I wasn't in the mood for celebrating, I too want to get to work.

The moment you mentioned was also the strongest for me. Makes me want to join something!!!!
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McTag
 
  2  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 01:21 pm
@spendius,
Michelle's dress? I thought that too, Spendy. Pretty weird, and not too flattering.

Still, we were promised change.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 01:26 pm
@spendius,
I did. Wouldn't have been my choice lol

Cycloptichorn
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Diest TKO
 
  1  
Wed 5 Nov, 2008 01:57 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

I saw it too Diest in Chicago....it upset me enough to leave early.


LOL. :-)

Well, even if you didn't enjoy their presence, I'm sure they enjoyed having you there. Maybe we express it in a weird way, but let us have this moment. Young voters actually made a difference this time, and in some states they actually showed up more than the elderly. I read it and did a double take.

Pictures and vids to come soon.

T
K
O
 

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