Awesome. I made an Obama pumpkin last week, but mine didn't turn out as good as your first one.
My fiancee made the logo; here's a tip, don't carve all the way through if you want it to stand for more than a day. The horizontal lines on the logo, especially the part which support the rising sun, are pretty thin and go soft quick.
You should try to avoid going "soft quick" Cyclo. The thiness is a given I suppose.
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nimh
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Wed 22 Oct, 2008 11:21 pm
@Asherman,
Asherman wrote:
Well Cyclops, you aren't exactly Sen. Obama's greatest fan and supporter, what would you say are his weaknesses? Surely, you aren't totally convinced everything in his campaign is beyond question; so what lingering doubts do you have?
The sentence in my post that you question, is indeed a very large generalization. Even so Obama supporters do tend to talk about his and his campaign with the conviction of True Believers. They do not easily accept that anyone can disagree with their glowing faith unless they are fools, or tools of the "Forces of Darkness".
Totally emotion, no substance. You just demonstrated everything I have said and everything alot of people see with Obamaites. And the Obama pumpkin, huh, give us a break, sozobe. Not only eery, but downright creepy.
Really, you seem to have reached a point where you just kinda say "ew, Obama's gross" and that's about it.
I totally get that you wouldn't like the pumpkins -- I can imagine finding McCain pumpkins creepy -- but I didn't post 'em because I thought you'd like them. I thought they were a fun/ creative outpost of the Obama campaign, that's all.
I don't support Obama because of pumpkins. My substantial (non-emotional) support for Obama has been documented in this thread, at length. Take a cruise if you'd like.
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blatham
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Thu 23 Oct, 2008 06:17 am
Give it another day or two and those pumpkins will be evidence of Satan's involvement in the campaign.
Here's a little side note re the $150,000 Neiman Marcus -Saks Fifth Avenue Manhattan shopathon...
Quote:
A Wasilla Wal-Mart Mom a heartbeat away? I suspect most voters will say, No problem. And some " perhaps a decisive number " will say, It’s about time.
Bill Kristol, NY Times column, Sept 7
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blatham
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Thu 23 Oct, 2008 06:28 am
@nimh,
Quote:
Please dont fall into the trap of lazy talking points.
I expect that prayer is going to go unanswered.
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McTag
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Thu 23 Oct, 2008 06:48 am
Go on the website for The Daily Show with Jon Stewart , those of you who haven't seen it, and look at the episode a couple of days ago where they sent a reporter to Wasilla.
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blatham
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Thu 23 Oct, 2008 08:00 am
Brad Delong linked this bright piece from Chris Hayes at The Nation...
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The New York Times Magazine previews a piece from this week's issue about the strangely careening tactical path of the McCain campaign as it's bounced incoherently from message to message over the last several months.
One thing occurred to me: The Right's attacks on Obama over the last year have been like a tour of the Greatest Hits of the Culture War in roughly reverse chronological order. First there were the rumors of him being a secret radical Muslim, which is, of course, the most au courant culture-war wedge. Then, when that didn't work they went with the Hollywood celebrity angle, which has a long pedigree, but also figured prominently in 2004. After that they went with the "sex education"angle, which, in the 1980s and 1990s particularly was a hardy perennial (even in liberal New York where I grew up). Next they turned the clock back even further to the 1960s, in belaboring the Bill Ayers/Weather Underground connection, and now they're all the way back in the Cold War with accusations of socialism! I'm trying to predict what's next. Obama supports the free coinage of silver? Obama was soft on Spanish atrocities in Cuba? Obama is a secret Jacobin sympathizer?
If nothing else, I think this election is useful for high school history teachers who want to give their students a condensed, synthesized look at the right-wing attack politics.
And Glenn Greenwald (and others) are making a really interesting observation regarding the walk-back that conservatives are now making after they play the "liberals are unpatriotic" ploy. This IS A HUGE CHANGE...
I'm trying to predict what's next. Obama supports the free coinage of silver? Obama was soft on Spanish atrocities in Cuba? Obama is a secret Jacobin sympathizer?
You know that Al Quaida actually endorsed McCain, right?
Too perfect.
(Then there was some fun and games when a McCain spokesman downplayed it and then was asked about how they'd made hay out of the Hamas endorsement -- can go find it if this isn't already familiar, I don't remember details...)
Yeah, that was my "oops". I wish I had time to write a blog entry about all the times McCain said that Hamas endorsed Obama and that's why you shouldn't vote for him.
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blatham
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Thu 23 Oct, 2008 09:50 am
@sozobe,
As Rachel Maddow pointed out last night, James Woolsey tried desperately to put out this fire by arguing that al Quaida will say that they want the opposite of what they really want. They do this to trick us.
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Cycloptichorn
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Thu 23 Oct, 2008 09:53 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
Totally emotion, no substance. You just demonstrated everything I have said and everything alot of people see with Obamaites. And the Obama pumpkin, huh, give us a break, sozobe. Not only eery, but downright creepy.
Okie, it wasn't a video about substance. It wasn't an in-depth look at Obama's policies. It wasn't intended to be.
The sad part about the McCain campaign - and you, Okie - ? The only emotions involved are envy and hate. There's no joyous outpouring with McCain, no positivity amongst his crowd or supporters. You guys don't even really like him. You just hate the other guy. And that's supposed to be somehow more logical, more 'real' than people's support for Obama?
Gimme a break. Pretty soon you're going to start shouting for us kids to stay off your lawn. You sound like a bitter old person.
Cycloptichorn
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blatham
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Thu 23 Oct, 2008 09:53 am
And look, here's some information which we all need to keep archived. Eric Alterman had covered this in "What Liberal Media" but here's a concise historical accounting of newspaper editorial endorcements for presidential candidates...
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EXCLUSIVE: Newspaper Endorsements for President Since 1940 Show Wide GOP Edge
Obama, McCain neck-and-neck for rural vote: poll
FOX News WASHINGTON (Reuters) " After trailing by 10 points in U.S. rural areas, Democrat Barack Obama is neck-and-neck with Republican John McCain among rural voters in 13 swing states, a potentially key group for winning the White House, according to a poll released on Thursday.
Obama was supported by 46 percent and McCain by 45 percent of 841 likely voters surveyed from October 5-21, as U.S. financial turmoil deepened, according to the poll commissioned by the nonpartisan Center for Rural Strategies in Whitesburg, Kentucky.
A month ago, the poll showed McCain led 51-41. This time, respondents said Obama would do better than McCain on the economy, taxes and "the financial crisis in the country."
Nearly 20 percent of Americans live in rural areas. They tend to be social and fiscal conservatives. President George W. Bush won rural districts nationwide by 19 points in 2004.
The poll showed rural voters have cooled from their initial enthusiasm for Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president. Forty percent view her favorably and 42 percent unfavorably, compared to a 48-33 split in September. Obama, McCain and Joe Biden, the Democratic nominee for vice president, had higher ratings than Palin in the new poll.
McCain led Obama 53-43 on the question of who would do better in handling the war in Iraq. In the earlier poll, he held a 56-37 advantage as well as a lopsided lead on who would do the best job on taxes and a 3-point lead on the economy.
The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percent. It interviewed likely voters in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada.
