Obama '08?

@okie,

I have one. I pay taxes. I live in this country. I don't tell others they are unamerican just because they disagree with me. You are an idiot. Unfortunately for me, you are an American idiot. I have to live with that.

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@parados,

Lots and lots of people are coming to the same conclusion and are seeing the light about Mr. Obama, Parados. I am not alone, and we will not go quietly into the night. I could care less about Obama if I was not concerned for the country, but we are about to lose a few freedoms, if he and his minions hold sway, and I predict it won't be pretty. I'm sorry if you don't see it the same way, and you are very very wrong to marginalize the views of conservatives that are decent citizens that believe in constitutional principles, and most importantly, freedom. You guys have been hard at work trying to marginalize decent American citizens for a very long time, and I don't think the results will be very appetizing at the end of this whole process.

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@parados,

okie is one sorry excuse for an American who doesn't understand the meaning of being an "American." From my viewpoint, his criticisms of Obama puts about 80% of Americans as "those who pals around with terrorists, is a commie, has some bad-mouth minister, volunteered for community service (socialist), made donations to charities, and pays taxes."

His is a unique group that includes McCain, Palin, Bush, all those GOP congress members charged with crimes including sex with minors, all those ministers pushing for discrimination against gays and lesbians the right to a marriage, lies and incite violence and hate during their campaign, big government, big deficits and debt, government encroachment into the private lives of women to choose, illegal wiretaps, torture of prisoners, deregulation of the bank and finance industries, and the illegal, preemptive attack on a sovereign nation.

Liberalism sounds more like a humane, rights to equality, and care for our brothers and sisters party.

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@parados,

I guess you don't watch or listen to what Obama says or does. I am not going to do all of the research here for you.

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@Butrflynet,

Cool article, thanks Burflynet.

If some of these real socialists were given the same airtime that any idiot far-right blowhard is given, maybe Americans would have a better sense of proportion about how a mainstream liberal like Obama compares to actual socialists and communists.

Plus, it wouldn't harm the level of discourse.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie is one sorry excuse for an American who doesn't understand the meaning of being an "American." From my viewpoint, his criticisms of Obama puts about 80% of Americans as "those who pals around with terrorists, is a commie, has some bad-mouth minister, volunteered for community service (socialist), made donations to charities, and pays taxes."

I think Wright is a sorry excuse for an American, and I think Ayers is a sorry excuse for an American, and frankly I am tired of Obama shouting change and running down the country. And I don't take kindly to commies or Marxists, that is correct, and I am very suspicious of people that seem to have a warm spot for them. And I don't particularly think that people that spend their whole life on the government dole, doing community organizing or as a politician qualifies them to be respected above average citizens out here, in fact they should first go get a real job in the real world so that they can have a reasonable view of how the real world works.

Obama did pal around with terrorist, named Ayers, its the truth, ci. What is so sacred about this man that we can't call it for what it is? By the way, I noticed Ayers was disinvited to the University of Nebraska, well, what do you know. Question, why is this guy working as a professor, and why do they hire him? Why? How about hiring the guy, Nichols, that worked with McViegh, that would make as much sense. No wonder normal people view certain aspects of academia in some universities as a bunch of whackos. Joe the Plumber would make a better teacher, I have heard him say more intelligent things than either Obama or Ayers has.

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@okie,

Good night, guys and gals, I need to take a break. Suffice it to say I think Obama is too extreme for America. I tried to sugarcoat my opinion, but now I just lay it all out, he is just too extreme, way too extreme. How extreme, who knows, because he is not an open book, who is he, really?

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Will closet racism derail Obama?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/us_elections_2008/7675551.stm

This examines a troubling historical tendency.

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@McTag,

Evangelicals start soul searching reports the Guardian today. But:

Quote:

Church leaders have also tried to impress on their followers that - even if they are still cool towards McCain - conservatives cannot afford to have Obama in the White House.

But with election officials predicting unprecedented turnout across Colorado - up to 90% in heavily Democratic Denver and Boulder -the tested Republican strategy of winning elections by getting out the evangelical vote is unlikely to work. That vote would be simply swamped by a very high turnout.

There are also signs that evangelical power over the ballot box could be waning - even in Colorado Springs.
[...]
A number of evangelical leaders have also begun asking whether their movement has drifted too far to the right. ... ... But in the political forum at Mountain Springs, local Republican elected officials were already discussing how they would operate under an Obama administration.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/21/uselections2008-barackobama

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Good night, guys and gals, I need to take a break. Suffice it to say I think Obama is too extreme for America. I tried to sugarcoat my opinion, but now I just lay it all out, he is just too extreme, way too extreme. How extreme, who knows, because he is not an open book, who is he, really?

Yes, but what we want to know, Okie, is: is he extreme?

EXTREME

WAY TOO EXTREME FOR AMERICA

!!!

Laughing

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Good night, guys and gals, I need to take a break. Suffice it to say I think Obama is too extreme for America. I tried to sugarcoat my opinion, but now I just lay it all out, he is just too extreme, way too extreme. How extreme, who knows, because he is not an open book, who is he, really?

Obama is pretty moderate. No candidate has had their life so closely scrutinized as Obama has IMO. You're failure to know who he is not from a lack of vetting. You want him to be everything terrible in the world behind a doomsday agenda for the USA. You can't seem to handle that he is just a man who has a family and does normal things. You can't handle that he is liked. You can't handle that other's understand his ideas, because you don't, and if you do, you simply just don't like them. He's a democrat, which you hate, and make no attempt to hide your misguided contempt for. He's not a terrorist. He's not some extreme guy. He's not a socialist. He's not a Marxist. He's quite moderate.

Left<------------------O---Center---------------M------>Right

McCain is far more right than Obama is left IMO.

Plenty of people get who he is and see him as being exactly an open book. They identify with him and agree with most of his ideas. They feel drawn to his leadership ability, and approve of his vision.

You aren't the barometer for what is good or bad, but maybe that's my sugarcoated way of saying that you're an extreme nutjob with no real objective sense about you.

The medicine you need to swallow with or without the sugar is that your conclusions are just wheels spinning with no traction. You are not going to be successful in making people afraid of Obama with your fear tactics.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Okie's scale is zeroed out in some crazy calibration. He doesn't see how extreme his ideas are. Many republicans (dare I say most) would find themselves on the left of okie.

Ideologs aren't the best compasses on either end. Listen to what moderates like Gergen and Powell are saying.

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@Diest TKO,

Interesting to think about. If we each had to place ourselves on that line, I bet none of us would be far from the centre, while others would no doubt place us in a very different spot.

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@Eorl,

Eorl wrote:

Interesting to think about. If we each had to place ourselves on that line, I bet none of us would be far from the centre, while others would no doubt place us in a very different spot.

moreover, I think that outside of political junkies and ideologs on either side, people honestly find themselves closer to the center. As I continue to meet more republicans that are voting for Obama, I'm constantly having to remind myself that beyond the party line brand there is a person there that can think for themselves.

I think the race is done. Nothing new to really happen. I honestly think people know who they are going to vote for. Perhaps they don't know their rationale yet, but that's my feeling. Obama wins if his supporters go to vote, if they don't, McCain wins. Obama supporters will decide the outcome IMO.

The harder struggle I have now is sorting through a lot of conflicting thoughts in my head.

What will get the credit for either outcome: optimism or cynicism?

I struggle with both.

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@Diest TKO,

Mel Martinez of Florida agrees with me. Tens of millions agree with me, Diest, alot of us get it, we understand what is going on. Who is Obama? Some of us are starting to figure it out, and it aint pretty. Business executives get it, the people that provide 85% of the jobs in this country.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3156963&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

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NYT/CBS Poll: Obama Has Record High Favorability Rating
The Huffington Post | Nico Pitney | October 20, 2008 11:55 PM

Barack Obama's favorability "is the highest for a presidential candidate running for a first term in the last 28 years" of New York Times/CBS polls.

Meanwhile, the Times reports, Sarah Palin's "negative rating is the highest for a vice-presidential candidate as measured by The Times and CBS News. Even Dan Quayle, with whom Mrs. Palin is often compared because of her age and inexperience on the national scene, was not viewed as negatively in the 1988 campaign."

A bit more from the story:

As voters have gotten to know Senator Barack Obama, they have warmed up to him, with more than half, 53 percent, now saying they have a favorable impression of him and 33 percent saying they have an unfavorable view. But as voters have gotten to know Senator John McCain, they have not warmed, with only 36 percent of voters saying they view him favorably while 45 percent view him unfavorably.

Even voters who are planning to vote for Mr. McCain say their enthusiasm has waned. In New York Times and CBS News polls conducted with the same respondents before the first presidential debate and again after the last debate, Mr. McCain made no progress in appealing to voters on a personal level, and he and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, had alienated some voters.

Personal appeal is an intangible element in voters' decisions. Each voter has a personal reason for connecting with a candidate or not. But the percentage of those who hold a favorable opinion of Mr. Obama is up 10 points since last month. Opinion of Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., Mr. Obama's running mate, is also up, to 50 percent last weekend from 36 percent in September.

In contrast, favorable opinion of Mr. McCain remained stable, and unfavorable opinion rose to 45 percent now from 35 percent in September. Mrs. Palin's negatives are up, to 41 percent now from 29 percent in September.

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@okie,

Quote:

Who is Obama? Some of us are starting to figure it out, and it aint pretty.

That "some of us" and that "starting" suggests a reality that ain't. Ya really ought to reflect on the bazillion ways in which Rush and Hannity have been pulling your chain, okie.

Quote:

As voters have gotten to know Senator Barack Obama, they have warmed up to him, with more than half, 53 percent, now saying they have a favorable impression of him and 33 percent saying they have an unfavorable view. But as voters have gotten to know Senator John McCain, they have not warmed, with only 36 percent of voters saying they view him favorably while 45 percent view him unfavorably.

Even voters who are planning to vote for Mr. McCain say their enthusiasm has waned...

In contrast, favorable opinion of Mr. McCain remained stable, and unfavorable opinion rose to 45 percent now from 35 percent in September. Mrs. Palin’s negatives are up, to 41 percent now from 29 percent in September.

Mr. Obama’s favorability is the highest for a presidential candidate running for a first term in the last 28 years of Times/CBS polls. Mrs. Palin’s negative rating is the highest for a vice-presidential candidate as measured by The Times and CBS News.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/21/us/politics/21poll.html

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@blatham,

Very glad to see that enthusiasm gap open up again.

TWO WEEKS TO GO!!!!

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@Diest TKO,

I think your barometer is a little off as well TKO. I think your McCain mark needs to move about a centimeter to the left, and your Obama mark needs to move about 7 millimeters to the left.

I think McCain and Obama are equal distance from the center on their respective sides.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

I think your barometer is a little off as well TKO. I think your McCain mark needs to move about a centimeter to the left, and your Obama mark needs to move about 7 millimeters to the left.

I think McCain and Obama are equal distance from the center on their respective sides.

You're wrong about that. I wonder if you know what a true leftist would sound like. Obama's nothing of the sort.

Cycloptichorn

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