spendius
 
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Fri 1 Aug, 2008 06:13 pm
In what respect?
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Ticomaya
 
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Fri 1 Aug, 2008 07:18 pm
spendius wrote:
In what respect?


He's an ex-former American Football player, spendi. You wouldn't really be interested in that discussion.
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spendius
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 01:17 pm
I would Tico. I'm interested in any real life drama played out in the public gaze involving money and vanity.

It must be an easy game if blokes his age can still cut it.
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Ticomaya
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 02:18 pm
spendius wrote:
I would Tico. I'm interested in any real life drama played out in the public gaze involving money and vanity.

It must be an easy game if blokes his age can still cut it.


I suppose so.

Of course it's nothing like the English Premier League where players often play into their 40s.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 02:23 pm
That's due to the healthy climate on the Britsih Isles: keeps men longer fresh, strong, fit and especially goalies on the qui vive.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 02:25 pm
I wonder if Obama will lose some of the black vote because of his stand on his opposition to reparations for blacks?
***********

Obama opposes slavery reparations
Updated 21m ago

SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.
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spendius
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 03:18 pm
You've posted on the wrong thread c.i.

Are you pissed?

If Mr Obama offered reparations to the descendents of slaves who do you think might put in an application?

Is anybody not in favour of " improving schools, health care and the economy for all"?

Tico-- you should examine the lists. In the top 20 oldest they are either goalies or stars fading away and used as subs and to impart experience in the dressing rooms and training grounds. They go, at that age, to the highest bidder.
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snood
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 03:47 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I wonder if Obama will lose some of the black vote because of his stand on his opposition to reparations for blacks?
***********

Obama opposes slavery reparations
Updated 21m ago

SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.


No biggie, I say. No mainstream black pols or pundits I know are seriously agitating for reparations anymore. The closest I've seen is someone trying to get some kind of general acknowledgement that long-lasting damage was done by slavery - more an exercise in ethics and academics than any serious push for monetary remuneration.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:09 pm
snood, Somewhat the same response I had, but even then many questions popped up, because it didn't seem that long ago that some were pushing for it. Thanks for your views.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:54 pm
I am not an American But a critical human.
Here is a quote w2othy to read and ponder over.


"Your candidacy has inspired a wave of political enthusiasm like nothing seen in this country for decades. In your speeches, you have sketched out a vision of a better future--in which the United States sheds its warlike stance around the globe and focuses on diplomacy abroad and greater equality and freedom for its citizens at home--that has thrilled voters across the political spectrum. Hundreds of thousands of young people have entered the political process for the first time, African-American voters have rallied behind you, and many of those alienated from politics-as-usual have been re-engaged.

You stand today at the head of a movement that believes deeply in the change you have claimed as the mantle of your campaign. The millions who attend your rallies, donate to your campaign and visit your website are a powerful testament to this new movement's energy and passion.

This movement is vital for two reasons: First, it will help assure your victory against John McCain in November. The long night of greed and military adventurism under the Bush Administration, which a McCain administration would continue, cannot be brought to an end a day too soon. An enthusiastic corps of volunteers and organizers will ensure that voters turn out to close the book on the Bush era on election day. Second, having helped bring you the White House, the support of this movement will make possible the changes that have been the platform of your campaign. Only a grassroots base as broad and as energized as the one that is behind you can counteract the forces of money and established power that are a dead weight on those seeking real change in American politics.

We urge you, then, to listen to the voices of the people who can lift you to the presidency and beyond.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080818/open_letter
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spendius
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 06:02 pm
What is this "beyond" Rama. I've asked you before.

Is it when you get a long white gown and start waving your arms in the air looking upwards accompanied by strange music and wailing meaningfully.

The oceanic feeling somebody called it.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 06:10 pm
Pardon me sir.
Read the full text which refect my views.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 2 Aug, 2008 11:01 pm
I invite you all to take a break from debating each other and join together with your well wishes for a fellow A2Ker who needs all our collective strength right now to bring her back home to us.

If you have the inclination, you'll find us all here. You're welcome to join the chain of positive energy we're beaming toward her in this thread.
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mysteryman
 
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Sun 3 Aug, 2008 06:02 am
Obama seems to have changed his stance regarding offshore drilling...

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/01/hope-and-change-obama-reverses-will-support-offshore-drilling-as-part-of-compromise/

Quote:
Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy…
"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post.
"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage - I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done."


So now he seems to be willing to compromise and allow some type of drilling.
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mysteryman
 
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Sun 3 Aug, 2008 06:19 am
And Obama isnt being totally honest about his plan to "fast-track alternatives" to imported oil.
His "fast track" calls for spending $150 billion over 10 years.
That sure isnt very fast to me.
And according to factcheck.org, "there's no guarantee that the research will result in less oil being imported.

Read the whole thing here...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/straining_a_point.html

And is Obama using surrogates to lie about McCains voting record?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/afl-cio_falsely_attacks_mccain.html

Quote:
The AFL-CIO is attacking McCain with a TV spot saying he voted "against increasing health care benefits for veterans." Actually, he voted for increases in those benefits.

The labor federation points to McCain's votes against Democratic proposals to increase funding. Those were defeated along party lines and were accompanied by alternative measures to increase benefits by smaller amounts, all of which passed unanimously or with near-unanimous majorities. McCain supported all of them.

The AFL-CIO also points to a McCain vote against a war spending supplemental appropriations measure from 2007 that included additional funding for veterans' health care, along with much else. The measure passed the Senate along partisan lines but was vetoed by President Bush. But McCain voted for a later version of the supplemental that ultimately passed into law and actually included slightly more funding for veterans' benefits.


If Obama is so concerned about the truth at all times, did he ask the unions to pull this ad?
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spendius
 
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Sun 3 Aug, 2008 06:23 am
"Truth!!!???"

Are you kidding?
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teenyboone
 
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Sun 3 Aug, 2008 08:28 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I think Obama is going to win NC this year.

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880729044

Quote:
You don't have to be a meteorologist to forecast what appears likely in North Carolina's elections. There are many indications that state Democrats may enjoy big victories at the polls November 4th.

For starters, elections officials report huge increases in numbers registering to vote. Some 257,000 have been added to the rolls since January, 51,000 of them since the May primaries. Of that number 145,000 registered as Democrats, while only 17,000 listed the Republican Party, an eight to one registration advantage for Democrats.

95,000 registered as Unaffiliated. Who are these people? We are told many are young and African Americans registering for the first time. It is a safe assumption many have registered to vote for Barack Obama.

We now have 5.9 million registered voters and Bob Hall of the watchdog group Democracy North Carolina is advising local officials to expect a large turnout and long lines, recommending more polling sites for early voting and more polling staff on Election Day. The record turnout of two million in the May primaries would certainly signal heightened voter interest.


An 8 to 1 increase in registrations for Dems. This sort of thing has been going on all over the south and all over America really; increasing registration and turnout is the unsung tactic that Obama is really excelling at, and McCain totally sucks at.

Cycloptichorn

Obama's so smart and very diplomatic, too! It's a win-win for America! :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 3 Aug, 2008 09:10 am
Cyclo, I would be so bold to say that the 17000 republicans that registered, some eight to ten percent will vote for Obama.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 3 Aug, 2008 05:12 pm
Poll: McCain's attack strategy paying dividends

By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer 22 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Intensified attacks by Republican John McCain on the character of his Democratic opponent have coincided with Barack Obama losing a nine percentage point advantage in a national poll, which showed the candidates running dead even over the weekend.


McCain, who had vowed to avoid the kind of negative tactics that were used against him in the 2000 Republican primary contest with George W. Bush, began attacking Obama during the Illinois senator's trip to Iraq and Afghanistan late last month.

In the course of the McCain offensive, Obama's lead in a Gallup Poll tracking survey slid from nine percentage points on July 26, when he returned from overseas, to nothing by Saturday, when the poll showed the candidates tied at 44 percent.
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spendius
 
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Sun 3 Aug, 2008 05:44 pm
c.i.-

Do you think I should hedge my 6-1 bet on Mr McCain yet?
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