Cycloptichorn wrote:Thanks for your opinion. Most don't agree with you. The past several elections have shown that recreational drug use as a youth is not an impediment to the presidency, whereas continued use as an adult is seen that way.
Cycloptichorn
I didnt say that it should be an impediment, and you cant find any post from me that even hints at that.
But, that doesnt change the fact that a drug user is a drug user.
It doesnt matter when that use occurred.
When does youth stop? I am not familiar with Obama's drug use, and I don't particularly care, but for the sake of arguing, at what age does one stop using in his youth and transition into using in adulthood?
McGentrix wrote:When does youth stop? I am not familiar with Obama's drug use, and I don't particularly care, but for the sake of arguing, at what age does one stop using in his youth and transition into using in adulthood?
If he used drugs after his 18th birthday, he is an adult drug user.
Just curious, but what if said persons recreational drug use starts as an adult?
McGentrix wrote:When does youth stop? I am not familiar with Obama's drug use, and I don't particularly care, but for the sake of arguing, at what age does one stop using in his youth and transition into using in adulthood?
What would you think?
Because of people's different life situations, perhaps it would be more appropriate to talk about events in one's life then age. An 18 year old mother isn't a youth any longer, but a 26 year old, single male very well could be.
Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn wrote:Yeah, all those advantages African Americans have, boy, it's hard to see why they aren't running the whole show by now!
Cycloptichorn
You elitist arrogance is showing again you snob. You have NO IDEA of what is available to minorities, yet you always open your trap like you know it all.
I am offended by Obamas remark. He of ALL PEOPLE should know that no one is stuck in their "woes" unless they want it to be that way.
You white piece of bread just want to apologize so YOU feel better about yourself. You are a disgrace.
woiyo wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:Yeah, all those advantages African Americans have, boy, it's hard to see why they aren't running the whole show by now!
Cycloptichorn
You elitist arrogance is showing again you snob. You have NO IDEA of what is available to minorities, yet you always open your trap like you know it all.
I am offended by Obamas remark. He of ALL PEOPLE should know that no one is stuck in their "woes" unless they want it to be that way.
You white piece of bread just want to apologize so YOU feel better about yourself. You are a disgrace.
You don't know the first thing about me or my past, woiyo. So why do you speak as if you do?
I would wager that I have spent far more time interacting with, living with, and working with minorities, then you ever have or will. I really would.
You are really getting desperate. Obama is going to win, and you can see it coming, and it's a repudiation of your brand of bullshit. What has happened to you? You used to be one of the more restrained right-wingers here, but that's vanished as the election nears.
Cycloptichorn
Here's Obama today, summing up exactly what you bunch are trying to do.
Quote: Nobody thinks John McCain has a new idea on how to fix our country's problem. All they've been doing, every ad has been attacking me.
Not one person thinks he has any new ideas, so they're trying to make me risky. "He's not patriotic."
We don't have much to offer, but "he's risky." I know you don't really like what we're doing, but "he's risky." That's their argument.
It's true that change is hard. Change isn't easy. And the question you have to ask yourself is, what's more risky? Bringing about changes you know we need to make, or doing the same thing over and over and over again even though we know they won't work.
We are in a time where it is risky NOT to change.
Cycloptichorn
Settle down now, Obama is far from being elected president.
Cycloptichorn wrote:Here's Obama today, summing up exactly what you bunch are trying to do.
Quote: Nobody thinks John McCain has a new idea on how to fix our country's problem. All they've been doing, every ad has been attacking me.
Not one person thinks he has any new ideas, so they're trying to make me risky. "He's not patriotic."
We don't have much to offer, but "he's risky." I know you don't really like what we're doing, but "he's risky." That's their argument.
It's true that change is hard. Change isn't easy. And the question you have to ask yourself is, what's more risky? Bringing about changes you know we need to make, or doing the same thing over and over and over again even though we know they won't work.
We are in a time where it is risky NOT to change.
Cycloptichorn
Where are the FACTS in that statement?
Since he presented no facts, it must be his opinion.
So since its his opinion he cant be accused of lying, right?
H2O_MAN wrote:Settle down now, Obama is far from being elected president.
That's true: 97 days can been a long time ...
mysteryman wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:Here's Obama today, summing up exactly what you bunch are trying to do.
Quote: Nobody thinks John McCain has a new idea on how to fix our country's problem. All they've been doing, every ad has been attacking me.
Not one person thinks he has any new ideas, so they're trying to make me risky. "He's not patriotic."
We don't have much to offer, but "he's risky." I know you don't really like what we're doing, but "he's risky." That's their argument.
It's true that change is hard. Change isn't easy. And the question you have to ask yourself is, what's more risky? Bringing about changes you know we need to make, or doing the same thing over and over and over again even though we know they won't work.
We are in a time where it is risky NOT to change.
Cycloptichorn
Where are the FACTS in that statement?
Since he presented no facts, it must be his opinion.
So since its his opinion he cant be accused of lying, right?
It's not a factual claim on his part. Though it is fair to say that this is the tactic that you and other Republicans are trying to use against him.
Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn wrote:mysteryman wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:Here's Obama today, summing up exactly what you bunch are trying to do.
Quote: Nobody thinks John McCain has a new idea on how to fix our country's problem. All they've been doing, every ad has been attacking me.
Not one person thinks he has any new ideas, so they're trying to make me risky. "He's not patriotic."
We don't have much to offer, but "he's risky." I know you don't really like what we're doing, but "he's risky." That's their argument.
It's true that change is hard. Change isn't easy. And the question you have to ask yourself is, what's more risky? Bringing about changes you know we need to make, or doing the same thing over and over and over again even though we know they won't work.
We are in a time where it is risky NOT to change.
Cycloptichorn
Where are the FACTS in that statement?
Since he presented no facts, it must be his opinion.
So since its his opinion he cant be accused of lying, right?
It's not a factual claim on his part. Though it is fair to say that this is the tactic that you and other Republicans are trying to use against him.
Cycloptichorn
So if its not a factual claim, it is either his opinion, or its a lie.
What is it?
Cycloptichorn wrote:woiyo wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:Yeah, all those advantages African Americans have, boy, it's hard to see why they aren't running the whole show by now!
Cycloptichorn
You elitist arrogance is showing again you snob. You have NO IDEA of what is available to minorities, yet you always open your trap like you know it all.
I am offended by Obamas remark. He of ALL PEOPLE should know that no one is stuck in their "woes" unless they want it to be that way.
You white piece of bread just want to apologize so YOU feel better about yourself. You are a disgrace.
You don't know the first thing about me or my past, woiyo. So why do you speak as if you do?
I would wager that I have spent far more time interacting with, living with, and working with minorities, then you ever have or will. I really would.
You are really getting desperate. Obama is going to win, and you can see it coming, and it's a repudiation of your brand of bullshit. What has happened to you? You used to be one of the more restrained right-wingers here, but that's vanished as the election nears.
Cycloptichorn
You are a racist and your comment above proves what I suspected all along.
I AM A MINORITY and I do not NEED to "interact with, live with" them to understand the reality of what the advantage this minority had over you.
I do not care what "minority" class one may come from. There are advantages given to help those who want to help themselves. Obama saying America needs to DO MORE is just stupid.
Listening to your elitist crap and your constant apologies for false leaders like Obama is insulting to every objective citizen who has a stake in this election.
Oh yeah? Well, you are a misogynist pig! And a wife-beater!
See? Anyone can make accusations without a lick of proof, and they are worth roughly the same: nothing.
For you to make blanket statements about all the 'advantages' minorities have, without acknowledging that they also face big disadvantages at the same time, is ridiculous and indicative of someone who doesn't have a f*cking clue what they are talking about. I know that you are an American Indian. I know that this means you were eligible for certain gov't assistance that I was not. I also know that your ancestors were treated like ****, in a way that mine (probably) were not; and that you were more likely to NEED the assistance then someone of my race would be.
To accuse me of racism, for knowing these things? Idiocy, and you're better then this. Take a deep breath, mkay?
Cycloptichorn
Bill Clinton just stated that he has bagged more babes than left eye.
Let's listen to left eye's response...
Cycloptichorn wrote:Oh yeah? Well, you are a misogynist pig! And a wife-beater!
Not bad old sport!
Not bad at all...
Cyclo wrote: I also know that your ancestors were treated like ****, in a way that mine (probably) were not; and that you were more likely to NEED the assistance then someone of my race would be.
Don't be too sure that your ancestors were not treated badly in this country if they were early immigrants from Europe. That's how ignorant all forms of discrimination is; it's based on utter ignorance about the human race.
mysteryman wrote:Lash wrote:I take exception to revel's political correct distain for American Gangster. For decades, the Italians have hogged all the good gangster roles in Hollywood. I am so glad the brothers have broken into the market. A great movie, a great role for Denzel, and a great day for equality!!
And revel apparently doesnt know that it was based on a real person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lucas_(drug_lord)
Well considering I said I refused to watch it, it is not so surprising I don't know all there is to know about it.
As for Lash's post, good point. Which is why I never liked most of the Italian mobster movies with the
one exception of Godfather. (superior quality) I hated Sopranos. But then everyone got their own taste. I would just rather see Denzeil Washington in his more traditional roles.
As far as youthful recreational drugs making someone a drug user, would anyone call president Bush a drug user? If not, then smearing Obama as a drug user for his past usage is not correct and would qualify for a smear tactic.
Quote:"I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions. You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried," Bush said.
source
We'll continue to hear the excuses of Bush Jrs addiction to alcohol, and how he treated his own father.
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Alcohol
Bush has described his days before his religious conversion in his 40s as his "nomadic" period and "irresponsible youth" and admitted to drinking "too much" in those years. In Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President by James Hatfield, Bush is quoted as saying that "alcohol began to compete with my energies ... I'd lose focus". Although Bush states that he was not an alcoholic, he has acknowledged that he was "drinking too much",[1] and that he couldn't remember a day when he hadn't had a drink, including his stay at Phillips Academy, where not only was he underage but alcohol was prohibited on campus, as well as at Yale where, conversely, "hard drinking" was considered a badge of honor (Hatfield).
Bush's drinking may not have caused problems were it not for his tendency to become excessively uninhibited, according to reports of friends. In the article referenced above, Kristof quotes Bush's cousin Elsie Walker as saying, "He was a riot. But afterward, when you're older, that can wear thin", and gives the example of Bush asking a "proper" female friend of his parents at a family cocktail party, "So, what's sex like after 50, anyway?"[1]
* In December, 1966 (age 20), he was arrested for disorderly conduct after he and some friends had "a few beers" and stole a Christmas wreath from a hotel.[2] The charges were later dropped.
* On September 4, 1976 (age 30), Bush was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol near his family's summer home in Kennebunkport, Maine. He admitted his guilt, was fined US$150, and had his driving license in the state suspended for two years. The White House had claimed 30 days, the document shows two years.[3] This incident did not become public knowledge until it was reported in the press in the week before the 2000 election.
The most notorious episode, reported in numerous diverse sources including U.S. News & World Report, November 1, 1999, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq by Robert Parry, First Son: George W. Bush and the Bush Family Dynasty by Bill Minutaglio, and W: Revenge of the Bush Dynasty by Elizabeth Mitchell, has 26-year-old George W. Bush visiting his parents in Washington, D. C. over the Christmas vacation in 1972, shortly after the death of his grandfather, and taking his 16-year-old brother Marvin out drinking. On the way home George lost control of the car and ran over a garbage can, but continued home with the can wedged noisily under the car. When his father, George H. W. Bush, called him on the carpet for not only his own behavior but for exposing his younger brother to risk, George W., still under the influence, appears to have retorted angrily, "I hear you're looking for me. You wanna go mano-a-mano right here?" Before the elder Bush could reply, the situation was defused by brother Jeb, who took the opportunity to surprise his father with the happy news that George W. had been accepted to Harvard Business School.[4]
No wonder Bush Jr talks more to his spiritual father more than his biological father, because he can "hear" anything he chooses.
