cjhsa
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 09:47 am
Is that all ya got dog ===) breath?
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 09:53 am
cjhsa wrote:
Is that all ya got dog ===) breath?


Got no interest in getting into a pissing contest with a mutt today; better things on my mind.

Such as:

Quote:
Army officials refute claim of Barack Obama snub in Afghanistan

By James Gordon Meek
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Updated Friday, July 25th 2008, 10:05 AM

WASHINGTON - The latest chain e-mail smear against Barack Obama: He "blew off" troops at an Afghan base to shoot hoops for a publicity photo.

The letter was apparently written by a Utah Army National Guard intelligence officer in a linguist unit at Bagram Airfield who claimed the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee was rude to G.I.s.

"As the soldiers where [sic] lined up to shake his hand he blew them off," wrote the Task Force Wasatch "battle captain."

But angry Army brass debunked the Obama-bashing soldier's allegations, which went viral Thursday over the Web and on military blogs such as Blackfive.

The e-mail claims Obama repeatedly shunned soldiers on his way to the Clamshell - a recreation tent - to "take his publicity pictures playing basketball."

"These comments are inappropriate and factually incorrect," said Bagram spokeswoman Army Lt. Col. Rumi Nielson-Green, who added that such political commentary is barred for uniformed personnel.

Obama didn't play basketball at Bagram or visit the Clamshell, she said. Home-state troops were invited to meet him, but his arrival was kept secret for security reasons.

"We were a bit delayed ... as he took time to shake hands, speak to troops and pose for photographs," Nielson-Green said.

E-mails to the officer who made the charges and a call to his wife were not returned.


Morons who pass this sort of thing along as truth deserve ridicule.

Cycloptichorn
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cjhsa
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 09:58 am
The moron is the POS Obama. Everything he says is a lie. So what goes around comes around.
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:10 am
too good to pass up
___________________________________
He ventured forth to bring light to the world

The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers

And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.

The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.

When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: "Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?"

In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.

And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to bring the light unto all the world.

He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the

Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world.

And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.

From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.

And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light.

And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.

From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered "Hosanna" and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.

In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.

As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites.

And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.

The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.

And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.

Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.

And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.

Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length.

But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him.

And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.

Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.

On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.

And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: "Yes, We Can."
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:12 am
That was pretty funny

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:16 am
Yes we can without Obama.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:38 am
McGentrix wrote:
too good to pass up
___________________________________
He ventured forth to bring light to the world

The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers

And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.

The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.

When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: "Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?"

In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.

And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to bring the light unto all the world.

He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the

Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world.

And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.

From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.

And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light.

And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.

From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered "Hosanna" and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.

In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.

As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites.

And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.

The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.

And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.

Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.

And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.

Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length.

But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him.

And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.

Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.

On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.

And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: "Yes, We Can."
Laughing Good stuff, McG.

Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over. Laughing
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:41 am
Obama opened his speech in Berlin by saying he wasn't there as a candidate, which was a crock, then he says he didn't visit the troops because it would be inappropriate to be there as a campaign. Truth is he couldn't make it a media event, that is the reason, while he could make a media campaign event happen in Berlin.

Total uh, uh, um, uh, fraud.

I hope he extends his trip, to give McCain an even bigger bump.
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mysteryman
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:44 am
He gave a good speech in Germany, I cant deny that.
But how many of those 200k+ people can actually vote for him?

Also, who is paying for the trip?
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:46 am
mysteryman wrote:
He gave a good speech in Germany, I cant deny that.
But how many of those 200k+ people can actually vote for him?

Also, who is paying for the trip?


Don't forget that he had to put on a big free concert just to get the people to show up before he gave his speech . . .

Yes we can without Obama.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:46 am
mysteryman wrote:
He gave a good speech in Germany, I cant deny that.
But how many of those 200k+ people can actually vote for him?

Also, who is paying for the trip?


Obama's campaign paid for the European portion of the trip, dunno about Iraq.

I doubt many of those people can vote for him, but it's important nonetheless to create allies whether they can vote for you or not, and things like this help that.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:48 am
Good thing he turned down public financing, or there would be alot more people upset than there is, and there are enough now to listen to a guy dis his own country in Germany, while running for president.
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:49 am
Concert before Obama's Berlin speech



It sounds like a plan to sell time shares ...
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:51 am
mysteryman wrote:
But how many of those 200k+ people can actually vote for him?




You heard/saw the speech and can vote for him as millions others can.
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:53 am
Yes we can without Obama!
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:56 am
Here is an interesting editorial from NRO. I think it may surprise some Obama supporters.

Citizen Obama

By the Editors


Barack Obama's speech in Berlin Thursday was not his finest performance. It had too much vague uplift and too few specifics. Some of its natural applause lines were picked up late and fitfully by an audience that desperately wanted to cheer. Its quite eloquent passage on the Berlin Airlift, though designed to illustrate and evoke German-American friendship, seemed to pass over the heads of a young German crowd more sensitive to Darfur than to memories of Communism. And like many an Obama speech, it developed a mood rather than a coherent argument.

That said, it was still a pretty good speech - a better speech than many conservatives, driven almost to distraction by the elusiveness of Obama's political personality, will concede. And it was (or, rather, two thirds of it were) a fairly conservative and distinctly patriotic speech.

In the course of about 20 minutes the senator took the following positions:

a strong condemnation of Communist tyranny and a celebration of America's successful resistance to it during the Cold War;

a passionate plea for the continuation of the Atlantic Alliance and its evolution in a global partnership as the only basis for international security and safe commerce;

an endorsement of the war on terror that included President Bush's trademark argument that we must "dry up the well of extremism that supports [terrorism]";

an unambiguous backing of NATO's mission in Afghanistan and a clear demand that Europeans should send more troops there;

a commitment to free trade, open borders, and globalization;

support for the promotion of democracy in the Middle East and elsewhere that included an acceptance that the Iraq war had been won by the U.S., its Coalition allies, and the current Iraqi government;

a straightforward statement that Iran "must" abandon its nuclear ambitions;

and a patriotic evocation of America as the vehicle of the world's hopes for freedom and justice.

These are in the main conservative positions. To be sure, they were sometimes hedged with weasel qualifications. Trade is to be "free and fair for all." Or the U.S. is engaged in passing "responsibility to the Iraqi government and finally bring[ing] this war to a close." Also, the commitments were sometimes calculatedly vague. Would a young and probably pacifist German crowd have cheered so lustily if Obama had said "Germans must fight the enemy in Afghanistan" rather than "the Afghan people need your troops . . . to help them rebuild their nation," etc? But the direction of the speech, even with these qualifications, was rightward.

So what was wrong with it? Was it, perhaps, insincere? Conservatives are tempted daily to launch such a critique of almost anything Obama does. Maybe doing so will prove to be entirely justified if Obama wins office and reneges on his conservative commitments. But that requires Obama to win office. In the meantime, most voters don't seem to buy this line of attack, and it risks making conservatives look bitter, marginalized, and defeated already.

A much surer critique, arising directly out of the speech itself, is to point out that it is much too utopian. It takes the conservative positions listed above, especially the more idealistic ones such as the promotion of democracy, and adds to them an entirely different list of wishful liberal positions: a world without nuclear weapons, a world without carbon emissions, a "new dawn" in the Middle East, a helping hand to the Bangladeshi child, the Chad refugee, the dissident in Burma, the voter in Zimbabwe, and so on.

Together these various aspirations add up to a hazy and unbounded utopianism illustrated by Obama's riff about "walls." Walls, it seems, are to come down everywhere under Obama's soothing ministrations, thus removing pointless and wicked divisions between the rich and the poor, black and white, natives and immigrants, Christians and Muslims. Some walls undoubtedly create wicked divisions �- the Berlin Wall separated Germans from Germans purely for the benefit of Communist rulers. But most Europeans and Americans accept that walls can also serve good purposes and that their removal would create rather than solve difficulties. The Israeli wall saves lives from terrorism, for instance, and walls between nation-states (a.k.a. borders) mark the division between citizen and foreigner that makes democracy possible.

Obama sought to elide this distinction by describing himself as both a "proud citizen" of the United States and a "fellow citizen" of the world. In his more utopian moments, Obama seems to hope that the entire world will somehow unite to take up his boundless, borderless commitments to suffering humanity at large. That is not what is going to happen. States with armies and aid agencies are needed for such tasks. The U.S. is commitment-averse because of Afghanistan and Iraq (and because of the complaints about these commitments from Obama, among others.) Hence Obama seeks �- rightly, as it happens �- to recruit the Europeans as full-fledged American partners in these international tasks.

Getting applause for these idealistic appeals from European crowds will be easier than getting money and troops from European states. The more boundless the commitments, the more reluctant those states will be to furnish hardware and risk lives. And the clearer that fact becomes, the more wary American voters will be of such commitments.

Obama may or may not be a left-wing radical. He is certainly a utopian radical. And if that makes him a better man, it also makes him a worse statesman.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:57 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
But how many of those 200k+ people can actually vote for him?




You heard/saw the speech and can vote for him as millions others can.


But I wasn't one of the 200k+ people in Berlin, and I was specifically talking about them.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:57 am
okie wrote:
Good thing he turned down public financing, or there would be alot more people upset than there is, and there are enough now to listen to a guy dis his own country in Germany, while running for president.


Public financing doesn't kick in until after the nomination at the convention. Okie, your lack of accuracy makes you look foolish with comments like this.

Why don't you point out the 'dis' to me, Okie? Please. Was it when he talked about how much he loved America?

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 11:09 am
And, for all you 'where's Obama's trip bounce?' haters, well:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Quote:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows a bounce for Barack Obama. The presumptive Democratic nominee attracts 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 41%. When "leaners" are included, it's Obama 49% and McCain 44%. Just three days ago, the candidates were tied at 46% (with leaners).

This is the first time that Obama has enjoyed a five point advantage since July 8. It's also the first time he has reached the 49% level of support since that date. In June, Obama's support stayed within a point of the 49% level virtually every day and the Democrat typically led by about five percentage points. The race has been closer over the past couple of weeks (see recent daily results). As with any bounce in the polls, it will take a few days to determine whether it reflects a lasting change in the race or is merely statistical noise.


His numbers the last two days must have been fantastic, for the rolling average to rise that quickly.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 25 Jul, 2008 11:19 am
Obama got a bounce in Gallup as well.

http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/kk392/hopereborn/080725DailyUpdateGraph1_ghtwscv.gif

It's important to note, that McCain has not led a single national poll for over two months now, and has only tied in a few tracking polls for a single day at a time. Not impressive.

Cycloptichorn
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