Obama '08?

cicerone imposter wrote:

When you look at the big picture between Hillary and Obama's universal health care program, it becomes a toss-up of personal preference, but they "both" will push for universal health care - which is "the" important issue for me.

I think Obama will get us closer in the short term....but in the long term we'll be farther away. Meaning, he'll inact those low hanging fruit reforms that Clinton and him both agreed on (even McCain to an extent)....but he won't go as far as mandating coverage for everyone. There may not be another chance like we will have in 2009-2011 with democrats controlling the entire government for possibly a long time....and we're going to blow our chance at universal healthcare.

But he'll do enough that the system will limp by for another 20-30 years and nobody will risk their political career to push universal healthcare until the next major problem arises.....whenever that may be.

Walter, Those US citizens might even consider returning home after he's elected - or to come home and vote. LOL

The major problem has already arisen; seven million more American are without health care, and more are losing their coverage as they get laid off from their jobs and the cost of private coverage fees escalate at double-digit rates at a time when most Americans are struggling to buy fuel and food.

We must start some place, and I'll take Obama's plan over McCain 24/7.

"I...believe that every American has the right to affordable health care. I believe that the millions of Americans who can't take their children to a doctor when they get sick have that right...We now face an opportunity - and an obligation - to turn the page on the failed politics of yesterday's health care debates. It's time to bring together businesses, the medical community, and members of both parties around a comprehensive solution to this crisis, and it's time to let the drug and insurance industries know that while they'll get a seat at the table, they don't get to buy every chair." -Barack Obama, Speech in Iowa City, IA, 5/27/07

So, is he not going to provide coverage for illegal immigrants and anybody else that isnt an American?

Since he specified AMERICANS, its a valid question.

maporsche wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

When you look at the big picture between Hillary and Obama's universal health care program, it becomes a toss-up of personal preference, but they "both" will push for universal health care - which is "the" important issue for me.

I think Obama will get us closer in the short term....but in the long term we'll be farther away. Meaning, he'll inact those low hanging fruit reforms that Clinton and him both agreed on (even McCain to an extent)....but he won't go as far as mandating coverage for everyone. There may not be another chance like we will have in 2009-2011 with democrats controlling the entire government for possibly a long time....and we're going to blow our chance at universal healthcare.

But he'll do enough that the system will limp by for another 20-30 years and nobody will risk their political career to push universal healthcare until the next major problem arises.....whenever that may be.

I suspect you would agree with me that single payer is the right way to go?

Anyway, your counter argument is fatally flawed regardless. I believe both Hillary and Obama would have pushed Single Payer in a heartbeat, if they didn't think they'd take too big of a political hit for doing so. Both realized that to reach that ideal; you have to start somewhere. The simple truth is; Hillary's plan demands Insurance for everyone; which will likely, permanently, place Insurance lobbyists firmly in the way of the American people's best interest. Obama's plan, while being slightly less comprehensive, may simultaneously also leave the door open for discussion of a more radical change. Neither are anywhere close to perfect, but both are better than the status quo. Predictions that it will be a permanent half-measure; actually work better when applied to Hillary's plan. At the end of the day though; the "who knows what lawmakers will do in the future" argument is a permanent non-starter, because we can't and neither can we pretend that they can't reverse any action anyway. Deregulation isn't a new concept either, you know.

At the same time, I'm left wondering, if we were ready. Perhaps an intermediate plan can help acclimate to the idea.

Is it possible for an individual State to introduce Universal Health provision free on demand?

Would a national system create economic difficulties for some states more than others?

Interesting to note how solid my neck of the woods is (including Michigan<who supposedly were supposed to feel cheated by Obama :wink:).

We also have Quame as mayor of Detroit, who has cheated everyone in the city, yet 99% of the blacks there would vote for the douchebag again.

DETROIT -- Michigan State Police troopers are investigating a possible assault by Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick on a deputy accompanying an investigator for the Wayne County prosecutor Thursday at the home of the mayor's sister, Sheriff Warren Evans said.

Evans said the 6-foot-4 mayor, a former star football player at Florida A&M University, allegedly pushed a sheriff's deputy and knocked him into the female investigator, who was working for Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy. The officers were attempting to serve a subpoena on Bobby Ferguson, a city contractor and close friend of Kilpatrick.

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