Obama '08?

And McCain has in fact been toast at least twice.

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O'Bill: Could you source/link those maps?
I have NC & SC as going to yellow and GA as going to pink (due to the black vote and native son Barr running).

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Look at the pretty colors .... it's a head-to-head race with McCain gaining ground.

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realjohnboy wrote:

O'Bill: Could you source/link those maps?
I have NC & SC as going to yellow and GA as going to pink (due to the black vote and native son Barr running).

They are from Pollster.com

Cycloptichorn

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Here's electoral-vote.com 's projection of where things stand today:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Pngs/Jul24.png

They calculate:

Obama 292 McCain 192 Ties 54

Senate Dem 57 GOP 43

I think that sounds about right at this point.

Cycloptichorn

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H2O_MAN wrote:

okie wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
What's telling about those polls are the "Leans" numbers. Lean for McCain is twice as big as Obama's which makes Obama already a winner.

Poor McCain and his supporters still don't know that's already over for them.
They'll suffer until November after McCain's smashing defeat at the polls.
McCain has been considered toast at least once before, ci. Do not count your chickens before they hatch.

Yep, Obama now holds the slimmest possible edge over John McCain, leading by just 41 percent - 40 percent in a head-to-head contest.

Exactly which polls are you looking at?

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What do you think, CI? The latest Fox News poll!

The same poll which included questions such as 'do you think Obama is a muslim?' And 'have any of your neighbors reported being scared of Obama?' It's a f*cking push poll if there ever was one, and Obama is STILL WINNING Laughing

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

What do you think, CI? The latest Fox News poll!

The same poll which included questions such as 'do you think Obama is a muslim?' And 'have any of your neighbors reported being scared of Obama?' It's a f*cking push poll if there ever was one, and Obama is STILL WINNING

Cycloptichorn

Just gotta love those "compassionate conservatives." LOL

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Obama is STILL WINNING

Not for long Laughing

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Just gotta love those "compassionate Americans." LOL

There, I fixed it for you :wink:

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realjohnboy wrote:

O'Bill: Could you source/link those maps?
I have NC & SC as going to yellow and GA as going to pink (due to the black vote and native son Barr running).

Cyclo answered you correctly, but if you missed it, click here.
(Mouse over for the actual numbers at the site. Amazing that some are still in denial with such overwhelming data from virtually every angle, no?

If anyone is actually as dumb as the Water-Bigot sounds; they can get 2 to 1 on their money by betting on McCain here.
(Or the could simply flush it down the toilet :wink:)

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I've considered my bias (decidely not in support of Obama) but still have to wonder why serious Obama supporters are exulting about the size of the German turnout for his speech.

I really can't imagine anyone, in America, who is not already supporting Obama being impressed by the turnout.

Virtually any liberal American candidate can draw big crowds in Europe, which is ironic since we have right of center governments in the UK, France, and Germany, and a rise of the right-wing throughout the continent.

Perhaps not so odd afterall.Understandably, Europeans who recognize how in thrall they are to American economics and geo-political strategy will prefer an American president who is in sync with their economic and geo-politcal sensibilities. Certainly they are apt to appreciate any that go out of their way to flatter them and exaggerate their importance in the world.

In any case, why should American moderates and independents care whether the crowd was 20,000 or 200,000 strong?

Instead I can imagine certain numbers of this folk being turned off by the spectacle of a candidate for the American presidency wooing Europeans.

There is a clever article on NRO, author escapes me, which compares the political advantages of an American candidate who appeals to Europeans with those of a Roman candidate who appealed to Greeks.

I appreciate that some of you would cut off your fingers before you keyed in the NRO URL, but others may find it of interest. Google National Review, go to the site and you will quickly find it.

This trip has been quite succesful for Obama. Hard to argue otherwise. I don't think it's paved his way to the White House, but it sure hasn't blocked that path.

I'm worrying that the cosmic fix is in. When he sunk that long range 3-pointer at a military base if Iraq, I thought "This guy is in the Zone!"

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Quote:

I appreciate that some of you would cut off your fingers before you keyed in the NRO URL, but others may find it of interest. Google National Review, go to the site and you will quickly find it.

This trip has been quite succesful for Obama. Hard to argue otherwise. I don't think it's paved his way to the White House, but it sure hasn't blocked that path.

I'm worrying that the cosmic fix is in. When he sunk that long range 3-pointer at a military base if Iraq, I thought "This guy is in the Zone!"

Haha, I read The Corner every day. Oppo research and all.

I agree with you that Obama did not move backwards with this trip; I understand that opinions will differ as to whether or not his popularity in Europe will matter back home, but it's clear he didn't hurt himself. And being able to drain three pointers doesn't hurt either.

In truth, his meeting with (and gift from) Maliki is the real story of the trip, everything else has just been window dressing.

Cycloptichorn

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It may be window dressing, but compared to McCain's gaffs at home, it's all gilded in gold.

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realjohnboy wrote:

Note that the state of VA moved from Yellow to Light Blue.

Yay VA!

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c.i. wrote-

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spendi, That you would even consider comparing Obama to Bush's "assertions" shows how out of touch you are about the American political scene.

Well c.i.--I have been reading J.K. Galbraith's The Great Crash and it is astonishing how you have all been suckered using the same methods into hubris without nemesis.

Americans are humans first and being American is a long way short of that.

Grow up.

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Senator Obama seems to me to be the only logical outcome of giving women the vote.

If American men have lost the power to order their womenfolk how to vote Mr Obama is a shoe-in.

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spendius wrote:

Senator Obama seems to me to be the only logical outcome of giving women the vote.

If American men have lost the power to order their womenfolk how to vote Mr Obama is a shoe-in.

Wow, that's way better then my previous sig line.

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sozobe wrote:

I enjoyed the speech. I was wondering what happened after the line about his Kenyan dad -- Amanpour just explained that some sort of a chant went up? What was it though? (She said "Kenyan chant" does that mean it was a chant of "Kenya, Kenya, Kenya" or something in their [a] native language?)

As Cyclo said, it was a ululation. To transcribe it for you, it would go something like

>>Female in crowd: yip, yip, yip, ayee, yip, yip, ayee, yip, yip (shouted very rapidly in a high pitched tone).
(Crowd cheers, Obama chuckles.)

As to crowd size, MSNBC has the full video of the speech and it has occasional crowd shots that show the size.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25835684#25835684

Here are some screen shots I did from the video:

http://butrfly.net/Albums/MiscellaneousGoodies/images/obamaGermany.jpg

And here's a link to them where you can enlarge to see them better if you wish.

I know that we're not supposed to be impressed by the size of the crowd if we're not already Obama supporters so, for those that aren't just think of the photos as tourism ads from Berlin's convention visitor's bureau aimed at CEOs looking for venues big enough to hold an international company's annual employee picnic.

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It is hard to imagine anything quite so absurd as traipsing all the way to the polling station to have one's vote cancelled out by the wife.

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