Obama '08?

Lest the Obama groupees get too over confident, the election still needs to be held, the lead shrunk from 4 to 1 point from last month in this poll.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390301,00.html

Colorado now leaning McCain, the swing state the Obamaites thought they had sewn up.

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/jul/24/mccain-obama-poll-colorado/

Maybe Obama needs to come back and do his campaigning here?

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okie wrote:

Lest the Obama groupees get too over confident, the election still needs to be held.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390301,00.html

Colorado now leaning McCain, the swing state the Obamaites thought they had sewn up.

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/jul/24/mccain-obama-poll-colorado/

Maybe Obama needs to come back and do his campaigning here?

I thought right-wingers didn't believe in polls. You guys are never slow to trumpet one that looks like good news, though.

I would be interested in seeing the party ID weighting in that CO sample, as the cross-tabs seem to indicate that they asked about 20% more Republicans then Dems, in order to achieve that result. One way or another, I'm pretty confident that Obama will in CO this Fall.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

I thought right-wingers didn't believe in polls. You guys are never slow to trumpet one that looks like good news, though.
Cycloptichorn

I believe them when the return the correct results, just like you do. Laughing

I honestly do not think Obama is doing himself any good with his overseas campaign trip, which it is, which he denied of course.

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okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I thought right-wingers didn't believe in polls. You guys are never slow to trumpet one that looks like good news, though.
Cycloptichorn

I believe them when the return the correct results, just like you do.

I honestly do not think Obama is doing himself any good with his overseas campaign trip, which it is, which he denied of course.

This trip has gone as well for him as it possibly could have and has gotten plenty of great press at home. The fact that Maliki agreed with him on the timetable issue set the tone, and he has not disappointed. Every political commentator out there has pointed out that this is a win for Obama.

Do you even consider yourself to be intellectually honest? Did you look at the press, at how what he has been doing over there and how it has been received? Or are you just spouting off more crap, with nothing to back it up?

Cycloptichorn

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okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I thought right-wingers didn't believe in polls. You guys are never slow to trumpet one that looks like good news, though.
Cycloptichorn

I believe them when the return the correct results, just like you do.

I honestly do not think Obama is doing himself any good with his overseas campaign trip, which it is, which he denied of course.

Okie - No doubt that Obama has battles to be fought here in the US. I think that he'll be able to do it though. It's not like he plans to be overseas until November.

Don't forget there are plenty of polls okie.

T
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okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I thought right-wingers didn't believe in polls. You guys are never slow to trumpet one that looks like good news, though.
Cycloptichorn

I believe them when the return the correct results, just like you do.

I honestly do not think Obama is doing himself any good with his overseas campaign trip, which it is, which he denied of course.

I wouldn't get too excited about the one poll that shows a tiny improvement. This was the outlook on Tuesday:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4077/gobama6pi0.jpg

This is what it looks like today:

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3895/gobama8iw0.jpg

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What's telling about those polls are the "Leans" numbers. Lean for McCain is twice as big as Obama's which makes Obama already a winner.

Poor McCain and his supporters still don't know that's already over for them.
They'll suffer until November after McCain's smashing defeat at the polls.

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Well, these polls will shake when the conferences are done, and VPs are nodded.

The lean does suggest that McCain will shake more. Perhaps in his favor, but who knows. In his favor may only realistically translate to him actually entering the race he supposedly had such a head start in.

T
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Note that the state of VA moved from Yellow to Light Blue.

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Interesting to note how solid my neck of the woods is (including Michigan<who supposedly were supposed to feel cheated by Obama :wink:).

Now Florida is sliding into no man's land? Know this: If Obama gets Florida (not that he needs it mind you); you can start calling him Mr. President.

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Yup, it's a toss-up in Florida, but Obama leads in Minnesota.

Agreed; a win for Obama in Florida will for all intent and purposes end this race for McCain. I think the Hispanic vote in Florida is gonna do that!

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The World President To-Be
By Gerhard Spörl

Anyone who saw Barack Obama at Berlin's Siegessäule on Thursday could recognize that this man will become the 44th president of the United States. He is more than ambitious -- he wants to lay claim to become the president of the world

George W. Bush is yesterday, the Texas version of the arrogant world power. Obama is all about today: the "everybody really just wants to be brothers and save the world" utopia. As for us, we who sometimes admire and sometimes curse this somewhat anemic, pragmatic democracy, we will have to quickly get used to Barack Obama, the new leader of a lofty democracy that loves those big nice words -- words that warm our hearts and alarm our minds.

Let's allow ourselves to be warmed today, by this man at the Victory Column. Then we'll take a further look.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,567919,00.html

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

The Water-bigot is nowhere near even Okie or Foxy's level of class. He is simply a blowhard with no sources whatsoever for his BS... He blatantly calls attention to race while slinging idiotic insults, where race plays no roll in even the point he is trying, though failing, to make. Okie and Foxy both do themselves a disservice by defending the racist piece of ****. It is precisely the adamant defense of morons like the Water-bigot that make one wonder about Okie since he seldom spews that kind of garbage himself.

I love it when people like you embrace the hate. Those liberal left wing
hate speech classes you have been taking are really starting to pay off.

Have you graduated yet? Are you teaching your own liberal hate speech class?

Good for you Billy, good for you.

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I come to Berlin as so many of my countrymen have come before. Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President,
but as a citizen -- a proud citizen of the United States,
and a fellow citizen of the world.

I know that I don't look like the Americans who've previously spoken in this great city. The journey that led me here is improbable. My mother was born in the heartland of America, but my father grew up herding goats in Kenya. His father - my grandfather -- was a cook, a domestic servant to the British. "

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,567920,00.html

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When Americans stop believing that their assertions are true on the evidence of their having asserted them Mr Obama's speech will make sense.

I don't see how his rhetoric can lead a nation of serial asserters.

What about Mr Bush's impromtu speech about Wall Street and strange financial instruments?

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spendi, That you would even consider comparing Obama to Bush's "assertions" shows how out of touch you are about the American political scene.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

spendi, That you would even consider comparing Obama to Bush's "assertions" shows how out of touch you are about the American political scene.

Spendi is pulling (trying to pull) our collective plonkers, bless him.

Mr Bush's financial insights are revelatory, however,...... about how flawed the American electoral process is.

:wink:

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cicerone imposter wrote:

What's telling about those polls are the "Leans" numbers. Lean for McCain is twice as big as Obama's which makes Obama already a winner.

Poor McCain and his supporters still don't know that's already over for them.
They'll suffer until November after McCain's smashing defeat at the polls.

McCain has been considered toast at least once before, ci. Do not count your chickens before they hatch.

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okie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
What's telling about those polls are the "Leans" numbers. Lean for McCain is twice as big as Obama's which makes Obama already a winner.

Poor McCain and his supporters still don't know that's already over for them.
They'll suffer until November after McCain's smashing defeat at the polls.
McCain has been considered toast at least once before, ci. Do not count your chickens before they hatch.

Yep, Obama now holds the slimmest possible edge over John McCain, leading by just 41 percent - 40 percent in a head-to-head contest.

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Meanwhile the Obamaites continue their lovefest, oblivious to reality.

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