cicerone imposter wrote:okie, You make too many assumptions about "winning" in Iraq. Your myopia is just as bad as Bush-McCain, who hasn't articulated "when" we'll be able to leave - and call it a "horizon." How much more sacrifice would you like to make for our military and treasure before we can identify what "win" means?
Did we win in South Korea?
Unless you have missed the many discussions and the obvious about Iraq, ci, I think winning is not a signed peace treaty, as terrorists do not have the honor of doing that. They are lower than the low. Winning is to pacify the country and achieve many things similar to those 18 benchmarks, which allows the country to be a safe place to live without fear of Hussein or anyone else killing you and all of your relatives, and a country that would be able to govern itself in a peaceful manner and without being a threat to us or their neighbors. We can also hope it will end up being an ally of ours.
Winning may not be the complete absence of U.S. presence in Iraq, but it should be scaled down considerably when a point that hostilities are at a very low level, but hostilities may not be completely absent, but at least at an acceptable level of risk. I think we are headed in that direction, and it certainly seems to be achievable, so winning is not an impossibility at all, contrary to what you and the Dems have been claiming for years.
You won't like it, and the Dems won't like it, but Bush may turn out to be a success story, a proven leader, a man that overcame the odds in the face of the bitter hatred and criticism thrown at him daily for years. I certainly do not want Obama, the opportunist to have any credit at all, he deserves none, zero, zilch when it comes to Iraq, and why should anyone should even ask him a question on which he has no credibility?