okie
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 10:59 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, You make too many assumptions about "winning" in Iraq. Your myopia is just as bad as Bush-McCain, who hasn't articulated "when" we'll be able to leave - and call it a "horizon." How much more sacrifice would you like to make for our military and treasure before we can identify what "win" means?

Did we win in South Korea?

Unless you have missed the many discussions and the obvious about Iraq, ci, I think winning is not a signed peace treaty, as terrorists do not have the honor of doing that. They are lower than the low. Winning is to pacify the country and achieve many things similar to those 18 benchmarks, which allows the country to be a safe place to live without fear of Hussein or anyone else killing you and all of your relatives, and a country that would be able to govern itself in a peaceful manner and without being a threat to us or their neighbors. We can also hope it will end up being an ally of ours.

Winning may not be the complete absence of U.S. presence in Iraq, but it should be scaled down considerably when a point that hostilities are at a very low level, but hostilities may not be completely absent, but at least at an acceptable level of risk. I think we are headed in that direction, and it certainly seems to be achievable, so winning is not an impossibility at all, contrary to what you and the Dems have been claiming for years.

You won't like it, and the Dems won't like it, but Bush may turn out to be a success story, a proven leader, a man that overcame the odds in the face of the bitter hatred and criticism thrown at him daily for years. I certainly do not want Obama, the opportunist to have any credit at all, he deserves none, zero, zilch when it comes to Iraq, and why should anyone should even ask him a question on which he has no credibility?
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:01 am
McGentrix wrote:
kickycan wrote:
"ME NOT PREJUDICE," said the knuckle-dragging mouth-breather known only as H20_MAN as he put on his white hood. Later, after the cross-burning, his buddies and he would sit around in a big circle and jerk off while talking about how much they hate fags and coons. H20_MAN was excited. He had even forgotten to beat his wife today in his haste to make it to the big cross-burning/circle jerk.


Just as offensive as anything h2oman has said.

Nice job.


I'm wondering if kicky was masturbating while he wrote it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:04 am
okie wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, You make too many assumptions about "winning" in Iraq. Your myopia is just as bad as Bush-McCain, who hasn't articulated "when" we'll be able to leave - and call it a "horizon." How much more sacrifice would you like to make for our military and treasure before we can identify what "win" means?

Did we win in South Korea?

Unless you have missed the many discussions and the obvious about Iraq, ci, I think winning is not a signed peace treaty, as terrorists do not have the honor of doing that. They are lower than the low. Winning is to pacify the country and achieve many things similar to those 18 benchmarks, which allows the country to be a safe place to live without fear of Hussein or anyone else killing you and all of your relatives, and a country that would be able to govern itself in a peaceful manner and without being a threat to us or their neighbors. We can also hope it will end up being an ally of ours.

Winning may not be the complete absence of U.S. presence in Iraq, but it should be scaled down considerably when a point that hostilities are at a very low level, but hostilities may not be completely absent, but at least at an acceptable level of risk. I think we are headed in that direction, and it certainly seems to be achievable, so winning is not an impossibility at all, contrary to what you and the Dems have been claiming for years.

You won't like it, and the Dems won't like it, but Bush may turn out to be a success story, a proven leader, a man that overcame the odds in the face of the bitter hatred and criticism thrown at him daily for years. I certainly do not want Obama, the opportunist to have any credit at all, he deserves none, zero, zilch when it comes to Iraq, and why should anyone should even ask him a question on which he has no credibility?


He has more credibility then Bush and you idiots who blindly followed him for years.

I think the idea that Bush will be well regarded by history is a joke. Maybe once everyone who was alive during his term is dead, and all recordings of him being such a moron in front of audiences are mysteriously vanished somehow.

Your definition of 'winning' is also a joke. You've taken the most likely situation, one which is light-years away from anyone's original definition of how things would go in Iraq, and decided to call that 'winning.' What a bunch of crap. First you bunch promised the war would be over in a flash, and that we would be greeted with flowers; then the looting of the American treasury in Iraq followed, with very little spent by the corrupt Republicans in charge on actual reconstruction, then the rebellion, then a **** ton of violence, then we started bribing the sunnis and placed an Iranian puppet in charge, and you call the current situation 'winning?' How can you expect anyone to respect your definition?

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:04 am
okie, You evidently do not understand history or the difference between the police action in Korea and the Bush preemptive war in Iraq. Study them; you might learn something. Korea and Iraq are world's apart in many ways, not only in their history, but the whys of why we got involved in both wars. Your attempt to compare apples and banana just doesn't make any sense.
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H2O MAN
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:06 am
"Don't judge me" said the knuckle-dragging mouth-breather known only as kickycan as he put on his white hood. Later, after the cross-burning, his buddies and he would sit around in a big circle and jerk off while talking about how much they hate fags and coons. kickycan was excited. He had even forgotten to beat his wife today in his haste to make it to the big cross-burning/circle jerk.
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okie
 
  0  
Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:09 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
okie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
He's right in this case, there has been a clear pattern of racist remarks by the same jerk.

Cycloptichorn

I haven't read every remark by H2OMAN, but this I know, I have been called a bigot more than once by Bill, and as a result I think his opinions are not worth considering anymore. I don't know what his particular problem is, but every time he posts, it has a good chance of being something along those lines.
Wtf is wrong with you Okie? Did you even read what you quoted before assuming your racist buddy was innocent? By covering for him (out of ignorance), you are thereby condoning his pathetic strategy. Try to show a little integrity. Hell, even Foxy eventually acknowledged it; and she is the living embodiment of righty partisan loyalty.

Then look at what the pathetic moron offers by way of counterargument. Rolling Eyes (As if a grade school jab accomplishes anything beyond making him look even more foolish.)(No small feat, that.)

You will have to come up with a better example than the following that you responded to as racist talk, Bill:

Quote:
Do you think Obama has had any hardball questions asked of him?

The answer is NO.

Obama has only been asked softball questions one would expect from BET.

As I said, I don't vouch for everything H2OMAN has ever said. I certainly would not use the raw language that he does, probably his abrupt shock method of talking, but that is not the same as racist. If you have a prime example of racist talk, I would be obliged to acknowledge it, but absent that, suffice it to say your constant finger pointing and bigotry racist accusations are tiresome, and totally false in at least some of the cases. I think you need to back off and temper your accusations with a bit more reality. Not everyone that you disagree with are racists or bigots. I have to wonder how your mind works when you are so obsessed with bigotry and racism?
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kickycan
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:11 am
McGentrix wrote:
kickycan wrote:
"ME NOT PREJUDICE," said the knuckle-dragging mouth-breather known only as H20_MAN as he put on his white hood. Later, after the cross-burning, his buddies and he would sit around in a big circle and jerk off while talking about how much they hate fags and coons. H20_MAN was excited. He had even forgotten to beat his wife today in his haste to make it to the big cross-burning/circle jerk.


Just as offensive as anything h2oman has said.

Nice job.


Yeah, but at least it wasn't racist. Moron.
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kickycan
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:13 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
"Don't judge me" said the knuckle-dragging mouth-breather known only as kickycan as he put on his white hood. Later, after the cross-burning, his buddies and he would sit around in a big circle and jerk off while talking about how much they hate fags and coons. kickycan was excited. He had even forgotten to beat his wife today in his haste to make it to the big cross-burning/circle jerk.


Ug. Me copy words of Kickycan and change name. Me FUNNY! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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H2O MAN
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:14 am
Liberaltards have a limited capacity for rational thought as proven by kicky, Diest and others.

That's OK though - we can all laugh at them. ________
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okie
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:14 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, You evidently do not understand history or the difference between the police action in Korea and the Bush preemptive war in Iraq. Study them; you might learn something. Korea and Iraq are world's apart in many ways, not only in their history, but the whys of why we got involved in both wars. Your attempt to compare apples and banana just doesn't make any sense.


Yeah, and so is Vietnam and Iraq worlds apart, and how long have the Dems been using that false analogy since 2003?

I realize Iraq is unique, but I used Korea as an example to illustrate some things. In many respects, Iraq has been a police action, after Hussein was deposed.

Swallow hard, ci, and realize we could win in Iraq. It has been possible, contrary to what all of your friends have been claiming for years. Winning is a bit different than the old conventional wars, but Bush has been telling you this since Day 1, if you had been listening.
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kickycan
 
  2  
Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:14 am
cjhsa wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
kickycan wrote:
"ME NOT PREJUDICE," said the knuckle-dragging mouth-breather known only as H20_MAN as he put on his white hood. Later, after the cross-burning, his buddies and he would sit around in a big circle and jerk off while talking about how much they hate fags and coons. H20_MAN was excited. He had even forgotten to beat his wife today in his haste to make it to the big cross-burning/circle jerk.


Just as offensive as anything h2oman has said.

Nice job.


I'm wondering if kicky was masturbating while he wrote it.


The white goo dripping off your face should give you some clue as to that answer.
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cjhsa
 
  0  
Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:15 am
wanker
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mysteryman
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:16 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
Okay, specifics then, cyclops, based on what Obama says, what does he intend to do in Iraq? And Afghanistan? I would like to know which one of his answers is correct?


He intends to begin a withdrawal in Iraq and have most if not all of the troops out by 16 months, or as the Iraqis seem to want, 2010.

He wants to send 3 additional brigades to Afghanistan.

Both of these positions are not only specific, they have been long-held and repeated by him many times.

Cycloptichron


Thats not quite true.
Lets look at what Obama said early in the camapign...

http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q=092707_hillary_clinton_barack_obama_john_edwards_debate_msnbc_new_hampshire.htm

Quote:
(Best Syndication) The MSNBC Democratic debates were held Wednesday at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire (See video Below). All three front runners, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Barack Obama, answered questions posed by Tim Russert. Although Obama said he was going to try to get the troops out of Iraq before the end of President Bush's term, all three frontrunners refused to say they would get them all out by the end of their first term.


Obama was one of those 3 candidates, so he wouldnt commit to getting the troops out by 2013.

And here is the debate transcript itself...

http://ipol-2008.blogspot.com/2007/09/transcript-of-dartmouth-debate.html

And here are Obama's actual words, with the question Tim Russert asked...

Quote:
RUSSERT: Will you pledge that by January 2013, the end of your
first term, more than five years from now, there will be no U.S.
troops in Iraq?

OBAMA: I think it's hard to project four years from now, and I
think it would be irresponsible. We don't know what contingency will
be out there.

What I can promise is that if there are still troops in Iraq when
I take office -- which it appears there may be, unless we can get some
of our Republican colleagues to change their mind and cut off funding
without a timetable -- if there's no timetable -- then I will
drastically reduce our presence there to the mission of protecting our
embassy, protecting our civilians, and making sure that we're carrying
out counterterrorism activities there.

I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I
don't want to make promises, not knowing what the situation's going to
be three or four years out.


So even Obama wouldnt commit to having the troops out, because he didnt know what the situation would be.

Now he is saying 16 months.
That is a change in position about the war, even if you dont want to admit it.
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H2O MAN
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:17 am
Question: I'm wondering if kicky was masturbating while he wrote it?

Picture Kicky speaking to his own reflection in the mirror:

"The white goo dripping off your face should give you some clue as to that answer."


What a moron!
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kickycan
 
  2  
Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:19 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Question: I'm wondering if kicky was masturbating while he wrote it?

Picture Kicky speaking to his own reflection in the mirror:

"The white goo dripping off your face should give you some clue as to that answer."


What a moron!


"Ug. H20_MAN make joke at expense of Kicky. Me FUNNY! HAHAHAHA!"
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:20 am
No, he has not changed his position. You see, 'all' is different then 'most.' Obama's position has been to have MOST troops out by that 16 month timeframe, and hopefully all within 4 years. He has never committed to having ALL troops out in 16 months.

Please, strive for accuracy before posting, as it is important in cases such like this.

Cycloptichorn
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kickycan
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:21 am
H20_MAN: Ug. Me no like big words. Me confused by Obama. Him speak elekwintly. Me no understand. Me hate when me don't understand. ME FIGHT SMART MAN IN SUIT! OOH! UGGG! OOOH!!!
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H2O MAN
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:23 am
Kicky, I bet that you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

You must be very popular with all the little boys.
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kickycan
 
  2  
Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:25 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Kicky, I bet that you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

You must be very poular with all the little boys.


UG! OOH! ME FIGHT KICKY WITH INSULT TO MANHUD! ME CLEVUR LIKE THAT!OOH! UGGG!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 23 Jul, 2008 11:30 am
okie wrote:
Yeah, and so is Vietnam and Iraq worlds apart, and how long have the Dems been using that false analogy since 2003?


Please explain it to us "Dems" (I'm not a Dem) have been using Vietnam and Iraq's "false analogy since 2003?" You made the statement, now back it up.
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