Foxfyre
 
  1  
Mon 21 Jul, 2008 08:57 pm
Well I don't know why you think that CI. Absolutely nobody else I know thinks that.
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snood
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2008 09:27 pm
With Petraeus:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/30990/original.jpg

With the General and Chuck Hegel:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/30991/original.jpg
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Diest TKO
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2008 10:20 pm
I'm not sure if anyone is still following Def Sec Gates lately, but I'd wager that if Obama were to take him and let him keep his job, he'd fit in better than many think.

I'm not 1005 on Gates, but he has been speaking out about how the USA has become too militarized in it's foreign affairs. He spoke out recently about how the state department should be in front and the military should be their support. These common sense words make me feel like he would be a good selection for Obama's SoD.

Even President Bush is taking a page from Obama's play book by having a US presence in nuclear talks in Iran. This would be a act of appeasement had it been Obama (and some conservatives are accusing Bush of that) doing it.

Obama is showing a flexibility on Iraq, now so is the current administration. Even Iraq itself is wanting internal security control. I think that if the product of Obama's trip is that he abandons his 16 month withdrawal plan, it's not going to hurt his campaign. I think that Barrack is doing more than taking photos there. I think that the right should stop blasting him for of all things listening to their suggestions.

He want to be your president too.

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mysteryman
 
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Mon 21 Jul, 2008 11:05 pm
This is an interesting op-ed piece, and I dont see anything wrong or any false allegations in it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071701839.html

Quote:
Barack Obama wants to speak at the Brandenburg Gate. He figures it would be a nice backdrop. The supporting cast -- a cheering audience and a few fainting frauleins -- would be a picturesque way to bolster his foreign policy credentials.

What Obama does not seem to understand is that the Brandenburg Gate is something you earn. President Ronald Reagan earned the right to speak there because his relentless pressure had brought the Soviet empire to its knees and he was demanding its final "tear down this wall" liquidation. When President John F. Kennedy visited the Brandenburg Gate on the day of his "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech, he was representing a country that was prepared to go to the brink of nuclear war to defend West Berlin.

Who is Obama representing? And what exactly has he done in his lifetime to merit appropriating the Brandenburg Gate as a campaign prop? What was his role in the fight against communism, the liberation of Eastern Europe, the creation of what George Bush the elder -- who presided over the fall of the Berlin Wall but modestly declined to go there for a victory lap -- called "a Europe whole and free"?


(snip)

Quote:
Obama is a three-year senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name, a former Illinois state senator who voted "present" nearly 130 times. As president of the Harvard Law Review, as law professor and as legislator, has he ever produced a single notable piece of scholarship? Written a single memorable article? His most memorable work is a biography of his favorite subject: himself.


(snip)

Quote:
After all, in the words of his own slogan, "we are the ones we've been waiting for," which, translating the royal "we," means: " I am the one we've been waiting for." Amazingly, he had a quasi-presidential seal with its own Latin inscription affixed to his lectern, until general ridicule -- it was pointed out that he was not yet president -- induced him to take it down.

He lectures us that instead of worrying about immigrants learning English, "you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish" -- a language Obama does not speak. He further admonishes us on how "embarrassing" it is that Europeans are multilingual but "we go over to Europe, and all we can say is 'merci beaucoup.' " Obama speaks no French.



Read the whole piece, its interesting.
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H2O MAN
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2008 05:36 am
snood wrote:
With Petraeus:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/30990/original.jpg

With the General and Chuck Hegel:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/30991/original.jpg


They are laughing about how little Obama knows about the situation ... very sad, but it looks good for the cameras.
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Gala
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2008 05:48 am
McCain sounds like an old fart when he objects to Obama, especially regarding this trip. Besides, Obama looks really cool.
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H2O MAN
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2008 05:50 am
Wise old farts can save your life, cool looking inexperienced young guys can get you in big trouble.
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woiyo
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2008 06:00 am
Gala wrote:
McCain sounds like an old fart when he objects to Obama, especially regarding this trip. Besides, Obama looks really cool.


Simple minds, simple pleasures. Do us a favor and do not vote.
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Gala
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2008 06:11 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Wise old farts can save your life, cool looking inexperienced young guys can get you in big trouble.


You have a point about old farts-- and McCain does have some wisdom and experience, but you underestimate Obama. If Obama messes up then you can critisize him. Kennedy came under the same kind of fire for his "youth", but he did a pretty good job of handling the Cuban missile crisis.

Beside, Obama is not and will not act unilaterally as Bush has. Why did we have to invade Iraq in the first place when Afghanistan was the trouble spot?

McCain might have the advantage in years, but he's way too aggressive and militaristic when using diplomacy matters.
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Miller
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2008 06:13 am
Gala wrote:
McCain sounds like an old fart ...


Maybe to you, who lacks war experience. But to mature adults, Senator McCain is a hero, a prisoner of war for 5 years, and a certified "HE MAN"...

When was the last time you met a real man, Gala?
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cjhsa
 
  0  
Tue 22 Jul, 2008 06:15 am
As I've noted before, it really doesn't matter who you vote for this time.
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Miller
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2008 06:16 am
cjhsa wrote:
As I've noted before, it really doesn't matter who you vote for this time.


In that case, what about the VPs?
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spendius
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2008 06:20 am
What are the policies re Pakistan?
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Tue 22 Jul, 2008 06:27 am
Gala wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Wise old farts can save your life, cool looking inexperienced young guys can get you in big trouble.


You have a point about old farts-- and McCain does have some wisdom and experience, but you underestimate Obama.


Yes & No.

Yes McCain has wisdom and experience & no, I have not underestimated Obama.


It is apparent that many are overestimating Obama's abilities to the point that they don't even care.
This is very dangerous.
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old europe
 
  1  
Tue 22 Jul, 2008 07:00 am
Miller wrote:
Gala wrote:
McCain sounds like an old fart ...


Maybe to you, who lacks war experience. But to mature adults, Senator McCain is a hero, a prisoner of war for 5 years, and a certified "HE MAN"...

When was the last time you met a real man, Gala?



You have war experience, Miller?

Who knew...
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Gala
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2008 08:56 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Gala wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Wise old farts can save your life, cool looking inexperienced young guys can get you in big trouble.


You have a point about old farts-- and McCain does have some wisdom and experience, but you underestimate Obama.


Yes & No.

Yes McCain has wisdom and experience & no, I have not underestimated Obama.


It is apparent that many are overestimating Obama's abilities to the point that they don't even care.
This is very dangerous.


I can't speak for others but I'm concerned about how Obama will do once he's in office. I've consistently pointed out along the way my reservations about Obama. I do think his going to Iraq is a smart move, and it seems as if no one is objecting except for McCain.

Could Obama make it worse? The potential is there, though it's not inevitable.
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mysteryman
 
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Tue 22 Jul, 2008 08:58 am
This could be interesting to see...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-saddleback22-2008jul22,0,3299827.story?track=rss

Quote:
An Orange County pastor was able to do what no one else could: arrange John McCain and Barack Obama's first joint general-election campaign appearance.

The presidential contenders will share the stage, if only for a few minutes, at a forum next month at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, the first time -- at least so far -- they will appear together before each party's convention this summer, a spokeswoman for pastor Rick Warren said today.


I hope that the candidates dont get the questions in advance, so that they dont have time to prepare.
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Tue 22 Jul, 2008 08:58 am
Gala wrote:
I do think his going to Iraq is a smart move, and it seems as if no one is objecting except for McCain.


??? McCain is the one that suggested Obama make the trip.
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Gala
 
  1  
Tue 22 Jul, 2008 09:02 am
McCain is saying he's got it all wrong-- yesterday in Maine.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Tue 22 Jul, 2008 09:02 am
Obama is getting silly,or is he paranoid?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/The_wearing_of_the_green.html

Quote:
AMMAN, Jordan-An Obama campaign ban on green clothing during the candidate's visits to Israel and Jordan has created wide puzzlement among observers of the Middle East.

In a memo to reporters, described as "a few guidelines we sent staff before departure to the Middle East," Obama advance staffer Peter Newell laid out rules on attire for Jordan and Israel.

First among them: "Do not wear green."

An Obama aide explained to reporters that green is the color associated with the militant Palestinian group Hamas. But while the color does appear on Hamas banners, there is no particular symbolism to wearing green clothes, experts said.

Moreover, green is more generally seen as a symbol of Islam.

"A ban on wearing green seems bizarre," said Richard Bulliet, a professor of Middle Eastern history at Columbia University, who said the color is associated with the family of the Prophet Mohammed.

"I would hazard the guess that the campaign's concern is more with distorted�-and religiously inaccurate�-reporting by Obama's detractors than with any actual signal that might be conveyed," he said, referring to false rumors that Obama is a Muslim. "You don't want to have some blogger come along and say �'Obama is showing his true color.'"

"I think they're just being overcautious to a ridiculous degree," Bulliet said.

Mohamad Bazzi, a professor of journalism at New York University and former Middle East bureau chief for Newsday, called the instruction "very strange."
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