Gala wrote:H2O_MAN wrote:Gala wrote:McCain is saying he's got it all wrong-- yesterday in Maine.
McCain is correct.
We'll see.
It's already apparent that Obama is clueless and not the right man for the job.
mysteryman wrote:Obama is getting silly,or is he paranoid?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/The_wearing_of_the_green.html
Quote:AMMAN, Jordan-An Obama campaign ban on green clothing during the candidate's visits to Israel and Jordan has created wide puzzlement among observers of the Middle East.
In a memo to reporters, described as "a few guidelines we sent staff before departure to the Middle East," Obama advance staffer Peter Newell laid out rules on attire for Jordan and Israel.
First among them: "Do not wear green."
An Obama aide explained to reporters that green is the color associated with the militant Palestinian group Hamas. But while the color does appear on Hamas banners, there is no particular symbolism to wearing green clothes, experts said.
Moreover, green is more generally seen as a symbol of Islam.
"A ban on wearing green seems bizarre," said Richard Bulliet, a professor of Middle Eastern history at Columbia University, who said the color is associated with the family of the Prophet Mohammed.
"I would hazard the guess that the campaign's concern is more with distorted�-and religiously inaccurate�-reporting by Obama's detractors than with any actual signal that might be conveyed," he said, referring to false rumors that Obama is a Muslim. "You don't want to have some blogger come along and say �'Obama is showing his true color.'"
"I think they're just being overcautious to a ridiculous degree," Bulliet said.
Mohamad Bazzi, a professor of journalism at New York University and former Middle East bureau chief for Newsday, called the instruction "very strange."
A bit of both-- but he's shrewd and is managing his campaign and image. An example-- the Kerry campign ignored the swiftboat references thinking they'd go away or the public wouldn't pay attention. Gore didn't do much to defend all the distortions of him in the press.
I object to a lot of what Obama is doing, but I think his trip to the Middle East redeems him. I find it refreshing and hopeful he and Iraqi leaders agree on a timetable for troop withdrawel.
H2O_MAN wrote:Gala wrote:H2O_MAN wrote:Gala wrote:McCain is saying he's got it all wrong-- yesterday in Maine.
McCain is correct.
We'll see.
It's already apparent that Obama is clueless and not the right man for the job.
Do you have anything other then empty assertions? Ever? It's not interesting to discuss, as you don't provide any evidence.
Let me ask you: if Obama is 'apparently clueless' then why is he so far ahead? He's way ahead in state polling and his national averages are great. How can that be, if he's so obviously the wrong guy?
Cycloptichorn
H2O is setting himself up as the "straw man" poster on A2K. Unfortunately, most who become Bush-McCain supporters doesn't have too much to work with, and must revert to these inane charges without any evidence.
McCain thinks Pakistan is a neighbor to Iraq, and he's the one with "more" experience than Obama.
H2O_MAN wrote:It's already apparent that Obama is clueless and not the right man for the job.
As I said, we haven't found out if he's the right man for the job or not. First, he has to get the job.
All of this hoopla indicates Obama is on an orientation trip, or attending class. So we not only have to swallow the idea this guy has credentials, but we have to educate him from the ground up too? Since when was this kind of courtesy ever extended to any other presidential candidate without the press making a huge joke out of it? Kind of like hiring a grade schooler to become mayor of the town. The community has to educate him, coddle him, groom him, send the local reporters around with him, and when he says anything, they sanitize it for us. After all, the kid is very smart even if he is still in grade school.
okie wrote:All of this hoopla indicates Obama is on an orientation trip, or attending class. So we not only have to swallow the idea this guy has credentials, but we have to educate him from the ground up too? Since when was this kind of courtesy ever extended to any other presidential candidate without the press making a huge joke out of it? Kind of like hiring a grade schooler to become mayor of the town. The community has to educate him, coddle him, groom him, send the local reporters around with him, and when he says anything, you sanitize it. After all, the kid is very smart even if he is still in grade school.
Why does it indicate that, Okie? Provide a logical argument to back up your empty assertion, which has no relation to Obama's actual trip. Who is 'educating' Obama? Who is 'grooming' him? Be specific.
I think you're just a little jealous that he gets the attention, while McCain doesn't.
Cycloptichorn
McCain is at a loss to try to win some media exposure, because Obama's getting most of it. Poor McCain can only remain in the background while Obama trots around the MIddle East and Europe getting the king of welcome that Bush can only dream about.
okie wrote:All of this hoopla indicates Obama is on an orientation trip, or attending class. So we not only have to swallow the idea this guy has credentials, but we have to educate him from the ground up too? Since when was this kind of courtesy ever extended to any other presidential candidate without the press making a huge joke out of it? Kind of like hiring a grade schooler to become mayor of the town. The community has to educate him, coddle him, groom him, send the local reporters around with him, and when he says anything, you sanitize it. After all, the kid is very smart even if he is still in grade school.
You make some valid points but I don't think the coddle one is accurate.
Another thing-- Obama has gone into the region with Jack Reed, the Democratic Rhode Island senator who is head of the armed forces committee (?), I believe and been to Iraq at least 11 times. Why not learn from the best, ay?
Gala wrote:H2O_MAN wrote:It's already apparent that Obama is clueless and not the right man for the job.
As I said, we haven't found out if he's the right man for the job or not. First, he has to get the job.
No need to hire him, his resume is not up to snuff - he's not qualified.
Take a deep breath, cyclops. Obama has no experience, no credentials, beyond a law degree, organizing a community, and a very very short senatorial career, etc. He hasn't done anything beyond what tens of thousands of other people have done. And he has no foreign policy experience. The subcommittee he served on, he never did anything with it, never visited Europe of any consequence, zilch, nothing. He did write a book, which I read and got the distinct impression he had lots of people write half of the stuff in there, particularly about foreing policy.
That is why I believe he has to learn alot in a very short time. I am not the only one saying that he has gotten further than about anyone in memory without being specific about much of anything - policy wise. And now that he is coming around to endorsing essentially McCain's policy and the Bush policy in Iraq, nobody is bothered, this after he got where he was based on one vote, he voted against the war.
I am believing more each day the left is giving him a pass on every flip flop, every pander to the right, because they agree behind the scenes that he will govern as a leftist once in office. Basically, he is not being honest about who he is, and never has been. The evidence is there for anyone to see if they care. Of course if you are a liberal, you don't care, or care about honesty, because it is policy you want.
okie, On the other hand, you ignore the simple fact that McCain is senile and doesn't know his geography when it comes to the Middle East. Which is more important? Somebody with intelligence and the ability to learn or another who is senile with experience who doesn't know their geography?
And we are talking here about a "world" leader.
cicerone imposter wrote:okie, On the other hand, you ignore the simple fact that McCain is senile and doesn't know his geography when it comes to the Middle East. Which is more important? Somebody with intelligence and the ability to learn or another who is senile with experience who doesn't know their geography?
And we are talking here about a "world" leader.
You are stretching it big time. I admit a concern about McCains age, thus it is imperative that he pick a younger, smart, and energetic vp. Of course vp is always important at time of picking, but later it is questionable whether they get to do more than attend state funerals, but in this case, maybe the vp can be a bigger participant. Also, if McCain wins, the vp will be next in line to run 4 years from now, so McCain's vp will be big. I hope he doesn't flub that up big time.
With McCain, it is not senility yet. He has always been a bit naive in regard to some things, such as the "law of unintended consequences" effect. But I still take McCain, he at least has a deep affection for this country. It would not be a huge mistake to go McCain, ci, so I counsel you to remember that when you go vote.
okie wrote:
That is why I believe he has to learn alot in a very short time. I am not the only one saying that he has gotten further than about anyone in memory without being specific about much of anything - policy wise. And now that he is coming around to endorsing essentially McCain's policy and the Bush policy in Iraq, nobody is bothered, this after he got where he was based on one vote, he voted against the war.
You have this backwards; it is Bush and McCain who are being forced to come around to
his policy on Iraq. All talk today is of withdrawal and when it will happen, the Iraqi gov't has made it clear that this is what they wish. Afghansitan, too; for two years, Obama has called for more troops to be sent, and now Bush and McCain have come around on that as well.
Quote:I am believing more each day the left is giving him a pass on every flip flop, every pander to the right, because they agree behind the scenes that he will govern as a leftist once in office. Basically, he is not being honest about who he is, and never has been. The evidence is there for anyone to see if they care. Of course if you are a liberal, you don't care, or care about honesty, because it is policy you want.
Well yes, I want someone who is going to govern as a Liberal. You don't want a Conservative? What's wrong with me wanting a Liberal to run our country?
Your arguments are one long string of assertions; not very compelling, really. And I think you know that they aren't strong enough arguments to keep Obama from being elected.
Cycloptichorn
Obama was absolutely mobbed by the troops, who apparently don't hate him, as some here would have us think.
Cycloptichorn
Obama could win, I admit, but he also could lose. It is incredible really that he isn't ahead by 25 points given how much press and how the press has ignored McCain. I think the upside for Obama is limited, but the downside is huge. Admit it, you are worried that your beloved party has again screwed up big time for jumping on the Obama bandwagon. Just how good of a wagon it is, we don't know, but the press will protect him as much and as often as they can, barring disastrous stumbles by Obama.
I would love to see Obama have to answer many questions, unscripted. The guy would not have the answers.
Those pictures are of Obama handing out Tootsie Rolls to the troops.
okie wrote:
I would love to see Obama have to answer many questions, unscripted. The guy would not have the answers.
That's a fact and Obama is scared to death he will be forced into anything beyond BET Q&A.
