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Is being gay a choice?

 
 
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 11:23 am
True. Good thing I was kidding.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 11:24 am
Just elaborating -- I detected the tongue firmly implanted in, well, we won't tell.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 11:27 am
Phew!
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 11:30 am
Coming up for air? Get back to work.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 03:13 pm
Gulp! (of air)
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 03:18 pm
I might have expected glug! glug! glug! (Going down for the third time).
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 03:59 pm
Re: Is being gay a choice?
NickFun wrote:
It seems everyone has an opinion as to whether being gay is a product of genetics, environment, bilogy societal conditioning or a something else entirely. A beefy Republican friend of mine --



No doubt about it. He's gay.



Using my super sensitive Gaydar and setting it to ultra-pansy, I knew he was gay as soon as you said 'beefy Republican' those are the gayest of the gay. Trust me on this I've had years of hands on experience...that and the fact that he is so vocal about his not being gay. In general I have found heterosexual men don't go berserk when questioned about their sexuality, it's usually those who are trying to hide. For the record I have known a few gay men who have been married and had children...those alone do not set the sexuality of a person. I'd be curious as to who Mr.Beefy thinks about when he is with his wife (probably Karl Rove or Dick Cheney).
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 06:18 pm
I've said this before, but it seems timely to repeat it. I had a friend who used to brag that he could spot a gay without fail. One day I challenged him to reveal his infallible method for identifying gays. He answered "By the sensation they engender in my loins."
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 06:35 pm
It has been said and implied that comparing a sexual lifestyle such as an 'open relationship' to sexual preference is comparing apples and oranges.
Is it? Such a position seems to require an assumption that sexual orientation is a 'written in stone' (or genetics, if you will) position.
This is an assumption I simply do not share. I don't think you start with a sexual preference. I think you aquire a sexual preference. Whether this preference is for BDSM, fecophilia, or any number of homosexual/heterosexual/bisexual fetishes (up to and including heterosexual monogamy) it will have to be at some point, somehow, aquired.
If this were not the case, sexual discrepancies would not exist to the degree that they do.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 06:44 pm
A great majority of the medical profession, medical doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sociologists complete disagree with you. I'm inclined to put credence in their findings over yours. Where is your study to support this? Answer: it's a belief. A belief is what one would like to be true. You can convince yourself, but that's about it.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 08:43 pm
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A great majority of the medical profession, medical doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sociologists complete disagree with you.

Is this so? Please show me evidence of this.
And what exactly do 'they' disagree with me about?
The inateness of sexuality? Please show me research that supports the conclusion that sexuality is inate.
I study sociology and psychology, and tend to keep up to date on medical advancements. Why was I not aware of this?
Please, educate me.
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Eryemil
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 09:03 pm
I am gay, I've been attracted to males even before I thought about them in a sexual way. I suppose 'interested' is a better term.

It baffles me that I can say this and everyone will ignore my word like *I* am not an authority on the subject, it's very offensive and sometimes even hurtful.

What reasons do you have Doktor S to not take my words at face value?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 09:13 pm
Would you say a heterosexual person is an expert on heterosexuality solely because they are heterosexual?

I like both sexes, always have, does that make me an expert on bisexuality?
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Eryemil
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 09:20 pm
Well, unless you have really bad memory I'd think you'd know if you chose to be bisexual.

In the context that I said that, it was a relevant. Your statement however seems redundant to what I implied.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 09:26 pm
My post was specifically in reference to the below and as such you have not responded in kind.
Eryemil wrote:
It baffles me that I can say this and everyone will ignore my word like *I* am not an authority on the subject, it's very offensive and sometimes even hurtful.



My query
Chumly wrote:
Would you say a heterosexual person is an expert on heterosexuality solely because they are heterosexual?

I like both sexes, always have, does that make me an expert on bisexuality?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 09:27 pm
No, the burden is on you, Dok -- you stated your "opinion" that one does not start with a sexual preference without a lick of backup evidence. You've apparantly "got a hunch." It's on your shoulders to prove what you said or it remains "opinion." I already know it is opinion because I am well read on the subject. If you are just now studying it, I suggest that I am not going to do your homework for you.
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Eryemil
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 09:46 pm
Eryemil wrote:
I am gay, I've been attracted to males even before I thought about them in a sexual way. I suppose 'interested' is a better term.

It baffles me that I can say this and everyone will ignore my word like *I* am not an authority on the subject, it's very offensive and sometimes even hurtful.

What reasons do you have Doktor S to not take my words at face value?


I seem to be talking about myself am I not? Rolling Eyes
I may not be an expert on homosexuality, but I definitely know myself.
I'm sure all the other gay/lesbian/bi people that say they never chose to be that way know themselves just as well so why not take their word for it?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 09:46 pm
Light,
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A great majority of the medical profession, medical doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sociologists complete disagree with you.

This was your initial post to me, and what started our dialogue. This is a very nebulous statement. Just who are these 'great majority' anyway?
I have no burden to prove anything. This was your suposed refutation and I found it to be insubstancial.
My opinions are based on my own findings, and my own research. I would actually be grateful to you if you could change them, as it would mean I have become more informed than I used to be.
And that is a good thing.
If I were presented with evidence of sexuality being inate, I would rethink my position.

I have already stated some reasons why I think sexuality is not inate. I will re-itterate:
If homosexuality was genetic, the gene (or gene sequence) would/should have died out long ago due to not being passed on. Yet gay people exist.
If sexual preference were inate, what would account for the wide variety of sexual preferences/fetishes that exist?
Your hypothesis simply does not seem to fit the evidence.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 10:02 pm
Eryemil wrote:
I may not be an expert on homosexuality, but I definitely know myself.
That is what I might expect a pragmatic man to say.
Eryemil wrote:
I'm sure all the other ay/lesbian/bi people that say they never chose to be that way know themselves just as well so why not take their word for it?
Your assertion and your question were/are not germane to my post.
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Eryemil
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 10:06 pm
Well, since I'm not legally a man yet. Cool

Anyways, I'm off to take a bath and read a bit before bed.

Take care.
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