Snubbing Dubai - Creating more terrorists

Your attempt to place the blame for your anti-Arab bigotry on the current administration is neither logical nor supported by the facts.

Bill, allow me to present your strawman in all its glory....

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Your attempt to place the blame for your anti-Arab bigotry on the current administration is neither logical nor supported by the facts.

You presented a strawman. You argued I held the views. You attributed a position to me that I didn't express then you argued against that position. Classic strawman.

"Any complaints about boogeymen and racist reactions to muslims point to the people that have used those arguments for the last 4 years. They created the present atmosphere."

The left's new talking point? That's a new one to me. Care to present your evidence of the left claiming they are biased against arabs because of the right? I can't find that anywhere. Middle America is biased perhaps but I see little of the left being that way.

I responded directly to the quoted words above... and can't be held responsible for your failure to articulate a more accurate picture of your position.

Pay attention Parados, and you'll see that rationale both on this board and in lively discussions between political rivals... like Hannity and Combs for instance. For a written example of this Non Sequitar rationale; one need only reference your post. Wink

I see. I just need to change the meaning of words then I would understand your argument wasn't a strawman. "your position" didn't really mean my position

By the way Bill. Read my quote then ponder the fact that all arabs aren't muslims nor are all muslims arabs. A racist response to muslims does not equate to anti-arab. Just a little more straw there for the stuffing it seems.

Next pile of straw. "the people that have used those arguments.. for the last 4 years." doesn't necessarily reference the administration unless you happen to think the administration has been espousing those exact things. I didn't have the administration in mind when I made the statement.

I particularly love this defense after building a strawman

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I responded directly to the quoted words above... and can't be held responsible for your failure to articulate a more accurate picture of your position.

It means you can redefine my position any way you want without it being a strawman, doesn't it?

So to recap. My statement about people advocating racism against muslims created an atmosphere became your argument about MY personal anti-arab bias caused by the administration. It certainly looks to me like you redefined my statement in 3 distinct ways. There doesn't seem to be much of my original statement left in your strawman at all.

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Pay attention Parados, and you'll see that rationale both on this board and in lively discussions between political rivals... like Hannity and Combs for instance. For a written example of this Non Sequitar rationale; one need only reference your post. Wink

Nice evidence to support your claim. I'm sure you would let me get away with the same thing. Pay attention Bill and you would see your argument is a strawman. There, I win. :wink: Oh, and perhaps you should divorce yourself from the RW talking points while you are at it. :wink:

"Any complaints about boogeymen and racist reactions to muslims point to the people that have used those arguments for the last 4 years. They created the present atmosphere."

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It is pretty funny after all the claims that "Saddam had ties to Al Qaeda" Now we find those claims about Iraq have less substance than the claims that UAE had ties to Al Qaeda. (The crown prince of UAE spent time in Afghanistan on hunting trips with OBL.)

Any complaints about boogeymen and racist reactions to muslims point to the people that have used those arguments for the last 4 years. They created the present atmosphere.

Non Sequitar. I recall no leader saying we should dislike or distrust Iraq because they are "Arabs".

I recall leaders, both Democrat and Republican in lockstep saying we should dislike and distrust Saddam because of his decade of deception in regards to WMD, after actually using them. The resumption of hostilities in Iraq had nothing to do with partisan loyalty and most certainly had nothing to do with bigotry.

To extrapolate an anti-Arab bias from the inconsequential fact that Saddam's Iraq was made up of Arabs is a sorry reflection of a lack of critical thinking skills.

Before, during, and theoretically after our action in Iraq; the UAE have been our allies, and have allowed the use of their Ports and Air Space for our Anti-Saddam purposes. Where is the anti-Arab sentiment in this simple historical fact?

Your attempt to place the blame for your anti-Arab bigotry on the current administration is neither logical nor supported by the facts.

The United States, and indeed this administration, has too many Arab allies for such unsubstantiated conclusions.

Yes, the United States does have Arab enemies who've been known to hijack airplanes; so paying particular attention to Arabs at our airports should be a simple reflection of common sense. One can't tell the difference between an Arab friend or foe in a line before a metal detector. However; one can damn sure distinguish which Arab leaders have been our allies from those who have not. (You're not likely to see our destroyers parked in enemy ports or F-16s lined up at an enemy airport.)

The bigotry being demonstrated now shows no partisan boundaries, nor had it in the past, so proclamations that it's the Republican's fault are demonstrative of even less coherence.

I can't understand for the life of me how those convinced our actions against true Arab enemies reconcile their disagreement with same while promoting bigotry against our Arab allies. The hypocrisy is astoundingly inconsistent with the over-the-top sense of fair-play I'm grown accustomed to reading from the Left.

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I see. I just need to change the meaning of words then I would understand your argument wasn't a strawman. "your position" didn't really mean my position

You've deliberately avoided the meat of my point to focus on a fractional example, made, to help you get your head around it, for the purpose of presenting my argument in a weakened state... before concluding you've neutralized it. (Therein lies the classic Strawman example you've been searching for )

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By the way Bill. Read my quote then ponder the fact that all arabs aren't muslims nor are all muslims arabs. A racist response to muslims does not equate to anti-arab. Just a little more straw there for the stuffing it seems.

Inconsiquencial wordplay that neither adds nor takes away from either of our points.

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Next pile of straw. "the people that have used those arguments.. for the last 4 years." doesn't necessarily reference the administration unless you happen to think the administration has been espousing those exact things. I didn't have the administration in mind when I made the statement.

This is a bold faced lie. Back-peddling now is futile since you elaborated in Ebrown's thread here. This strategy is beneath you and I'll likely ignore your posts should you choose to continue it.