?1800 causes of Marxist acceptace in europe?

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WHy was the "new" ideas of marx and engles so easily accepted in 1800 europe?

was it because of the unjustly treated proliteriat, or was it some other reason that justified it. Why would something so radical be accepted?

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Because the workers were treated so poorly. This was especially true in Russia under the Czar.

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are there any other reasons?

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This was especially true in Russia under the Czar.

Actually, most of the people in Russia were peasants so I doubt they cared about it very much. Where would the peasants fit in a proletariat system? The communists weren't so keen on the peasants either. They just wanted their support.

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I sincerely doubt that the ideas of Marx and Engels were known about 1800 in Russia - there weren't in other parts of Europe, too:

Friedrich Engels (November 28, 1820, Barmen now Wuppertal, Germany - August 5, 1895 London)

Karl Heinrich Marx (May 5, 1818 Trier, Germany - March 14, 1883 London)

(Engels published his "Condition of the Working Class in England in 1844" first in 1845; fought in the 1848 revulution, worked later in England again and didn't become really broadly known as late as after Marx's death in 1883 when he edited and translated Marx's writings.)

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I'm assuming 07 meant 1900. That would make more sense.

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Actually, most of the people in Russia were peasants so I doubt they cared about it very much.

The peasants had problems that differed from the factory workers. They were slaves to the land and the landowner. Treatment of the peasants varied but their life was one of poverty and hard labor for a landowner that accumulated wealth at their expense.

When the revolution occurred in Russia in 1917 the Bolsheviks promised free land to the peasants. The wealthy landowners would be tossed and the peasant would be allocated their land. The factory workers were promised an 8 hour day. Whether you were a factory worker or a peasant, life in Russia was awful.

Basically the Russian Revolution came about because Czar Nicholas II was a weak and indecisive leader. He was the worse type of leader for those troubled times.

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Exactly why are you focusing on Russia?

Both, Marx and Engels did a lot in in the 40's of the 19th century in Manchester and later in London.

And another question would be, if 07sprinklez is referring to 'communism' in the way Marx saw socialism or to socialism à la Engles or to Labour/social-democratic ideas or to communism in the Leninistic understanding.

A correct time really would be interesting as well, since socialist ideas weren't "invented" by Marx or Engles but existed since the Enlightment in Europe (at least).

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I picked Russia because that's where it took root. What happened in Manchester isn't significant. What resulted in Russia was.

The question is why did these ideas take root. Because of the abuse of the workers and peasants.

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And another question would be, if 07sprinklez is referring to 'communism' in the way Marx saw socialism or to socialism à la Engles or to Labour/social-democratic ideas or to communism in the Leninistic understanding.

I see people using Marx and Engles ideas the same way I see them using Christ. They take something dead, twist it, turn it and create something different but with the same name. I don't think the communism practiced in Russia was the same communism that Marx envisioned. I don't think the government Stalin created was what Lenin wanted. But they all carried the name communism.

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xingu wrote:

I picked Russia because that's where it took root. What happened in Manchester isn't significant. What resulted in Russia was.

The question is why did these ideas take root. Because of the abuse of the workers and peasants.

That's more than questionable: definately their ideas took rooted in Manchester/London

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longer time before that in continental Europe) and not in Russia.

Russia was only the last in timeline - first in 20th century.

xingu wrote:
I see people using Marx and Engles ideas the same way I see them using Christ. They take something dead, twist it, turn it and create something different but with the same name. I don't think the communism practiced in Russia was the same communism that Marx envisioned. I don't think the government Stalin created was what Lenin wanted. But they all carried the name communism.

Right, but that exactly opposes what you said before.

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Marxist ideas were important in Western Europe, where industrial development was high.
IMO, two elements account for their acceptance.
One was the extreme exploitation and class division of those societies.
The other was the scientific coating of Marxist ideas, in an era when science was seen as the panacea of mankind.

The scientific coating explains why Marx became popular, while other socialists like Babeuf, Owen, Saint-Simon, LaSalle and Fourier became extinct.

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Agreed, fbaezer.

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hey, thanks. but i was looking more for the reasons that the spread began throughout russia. Those or you focused on Russia, or the stalin-marxist ideas helped, but that was not what i was looking for. As it turns out, it was primarily because of the relevence of the theory in the times then. Yes it is ttue that it didn;t make it to russia for 10 years after marx's death

gracias for the help

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