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Y'all didn't seem to mind when we broke the stalemate in the Great War. No one seemed to object to American assistance after that war, though the rubes from North America got nothing for it. Was it our interference that put Hitler in power, or Stalin in charge of enslaving the world? Were we sticking our noses into your business when gave you the resources to fight Hitler and the Axis? Were the G.I.s who died liberating your countries a bunch of bullies? Tell me how many Europeans rejected the Marshall Plan as American manipulation?

Were we so unwelcome flying supplies into blockaded Berlin? If Americans just tended their own business and stayed on our side of the pond, would you have been able to resist the Soviet Union right up until today?

Should America mind its own business when people are starving, or made homeless by natural disasters? How nice to you think it would be if there were no Americans standing between you and those who would just as soon see you dead as converted to their 8th century brand of Islam?

You take our money and kick us in the privates for doing what you haven't the stomach for yourselves. One of these days your going to get your wish and Americans won't be there to bail you out. I wonder what tune you'll whistle then?

O' its Tommy this and Tommy that,
Until the guns begin to roar!

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Asherman wrote:

Y'all didn't seem to mind when we broke the stalemate in the Great War. No one seemed to object to American assistance after that war, though the rubes from North America got nothing for it.

As for the Marshall Plan, 2 million Germans starved to death after the war before the Plan was implemented. A little known and published genocide. The Marshall Plan, it should be noted, benefited the American economy as well. The money would be used to buy goods from the United States, and they had to be shipped across the Atlantic on American merchant vessels. www.answers.com

Revisionist historians have challenged the assertion that the plan represented American altruism. They have argued that the export of dollars to Europe kept the United States from backsliding into depression by providing a market for U.S. capital goods. The Marshall Plan, according to revisionists, allowed the United States to remake the European economy in the image of the American economy. The plan promoted European economic integration and federalism, and created a mixture of public organization of the private economy similar to that in the domestic economy of the United States. This reorganization of the European economy provided a more congenial environment for American investment.[/B www.usinfo.com[/b]

Was it our interference that put Hitler in power, or Stalin in charge of enslaving the world?

Yes. The US supplied weapons to Stalin. The US did it through the Port of Arcangel. As a counter measure to Hitler who like Noreiga and Castro or Saddam, got a little out of control of the American capitalists who supported the German capitalists in their war against communism. Check Henry Ford and Volkswagen connection, or GMC with Opal, who built all the trucks for the German army and was making $$$ after the war for it. Don't give me crap about the US's innocence.
If you are referring to the Great War, being WWI, suggest you look up Avril Harriman and his lacky, Prescott Bush, grandfather of your president. This is well known for those who read. They were more than happy to not pay Polish taxes for their holdings of coal mines in Poland which Hitler's invasion solved. They worked with Thysen and their Dutch bank to lobby against the guns that Weimar Republic was trying to stop as they (being Harriman and Bush) were the main suppliers and shippers of handguns for both the Nazi's and Communists who were fighting in the streets of Berlin and other cities. Both were indicted for continuing to ship oil to Nazi Germany after Pearl Harbor. [/B]

Were we sticking our noses into your business when gave you the resources to fight Hitler and the Axis?

Read the above to answer this question.

Were the G.I.s who died liberating your countries a bunch of bullies? Tell me how many Europeans rejected the Marshall Plan as American manipulation?

See above response. It certainly benefitted the Americans. They do nothing without monetary compensation. While we're thanking everyone for something that happened in the last century or so, let's thank France for direct military and economic assistance to the US in its revolution against England (Battle of Yorktown)

No GI's died liberting MY country. Canadians paid an inordinately high price fighting Hitler from 1939 on.

Were we so unwelcome flying supplies into blockaded Berlin?

Your supplies came with a big price tag. All that Marshall Plan money was a loan and has been repaid by Germany. Any more questions?

If Americans just tended their own business and stayed on our side of the pond, would you have been able to resist the Soviet Union right up until today?

Canada didn't have issues with the Soviet Union as the US did. Socialism isn't a bad word here in Canada. There is a difference between democratic socialism (as we have) and totalitarian socialism, as there is a difference between democratic capitalism and big government/big business (US)= fascism.

Should America mind its own business when people are starving, or made homeless by natural disasters?

Yes, you should mind your own business and take care of the victims of Katrina; many are still homeless. Canada was the first country to help after that disaster. What would you do without us? I hear Venezuela offered help too. Too much corruption and mismanagement in your country.

How nice to you think it would be if there were no Americans standing between you and those who would just as soon see you dead as converted to their 8th century brand of Islam?

Suggest you compare 8th century Islam with 8th century Christian Europe. 8th century Islam was far in advance of 8th century Christianity.

You take our money and kick us in the privates for doing what you haven't the stomach for yourselves.

Heard about NAFTA? YOU take our goods and try to screw us out of what is rightfully ours. Thanks for finally paying us back for illegal softwoods tariff money. All but one billion. You Americans have been raping Canada for years. You take our goods and kick us in the stomach. Just like the bullies you are.

One of these days your going to get your wish and Americans won't be there to bail you out. I wonder what tune you'll whistle then?

That day is coming soon, I hope? Hmmm....the tune we'll whistle? Yankee Go Home? Nobody Else in the World But You? (Don Henley)??

O' its Tommy this and Tommy that,
Until the guns begin to roar!

American imperialism is not welcome on the planet. You are a replica of the country you fought so hard against (England) in the 18th C.
You define yourselves by gunpower. Too bad you people don't have the power of diplomacy, but that would take brains. Something in short supply in the US.

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Well, Pachbell you certainly define where the Left boundaries of the political spectrum rest. Your world must be hell on earth. I hope you aren't tempted to transform your hatred into action. If you want to help destroy the United States then aiding and assisting the radical Islamic terrorist organizations is a good place to start. Of course, that would have some very serious consequences for your future.

Thankfully the number of people holding such hatred for the United States is miniscule.

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It takes a certain mindset to assume that anyone unhappy with the US must be supporting the terrorists of this world.
It is a mean and vicious tactic and cannot be taken seriously.
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I guess it started with Bush saying something like: " Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.
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Nobody hates terrorist murderers more than I do. That does not mean I like Bush and his politics.
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Is that so hard to understand?

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If you hate the United States as passionately as Pachebell appears to, then why wouldn't you naturally support those who are trying so hard to destroy it?

There is that succinct enough for those who prefer not to read my longer remarks?

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ash, are you pretending to be dense? I hate violence. Can't you understand that or is your right wing tunnelvision too strong?

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Nothing wrong with being a conscientious objector. Men who totally reject violence have served their country and fellow soldiers heroically. I doubt that you have any more qualms about taking lives than Sgt. York, yet faced with real battle he could bring himself to kill. No one is asking you to serve in the military are they?

If you object to others fighting and dying on your behalf, then you can engage in civil disobedience and spend some time in jail documenting the sincerity of you convictions. Are you against all violence, or only that of the wicked United States? Which is greater, your hatred of the United States, or violence? If you hate violence more, then what are you doing to curb the violence of Islamic terrorist organizations? Have you been as vocal in your denunciation of Al Quida and similar terrorists groups, as you have been against the U.S?

If you don't hate the U.S., then you express your love in a strange way.

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Asherman wrote:

Well, Pachbell you certainly define where the Left boundaries of the political spectrum rest. Your world must be hell on earth. I hope you aren't tempted to transform your hatred into action. If you want to help destroy the United States then aiding and assisting the radical Islamic terrorist organizations is a good place to start. Of course, that would have some very serious consequences for your future.

Thankfully the number of people holding such hatred for the United States is miniscule.

I don't live in the U.S. so thankfully MY world is not hell on earth - neither is it defined by red, orange, yellow, or whatever terror alert is on for the day. In other words, my world doesn't control its population by fear mongering, as yours does.

I don't have to exert myself to destroy the U.S. Your president and his cabal are doing that quite nicely. The U.S. has lost credibility with the world.

'People holding such hatred for the U.S. is miniscule'?

What planet do you live on, mister? I know of no country who likes and respects the US, do you? Research some facts on that statement. You'll find that you are wrong.

As detano said, just because one does not like the U.S. does not make one a terrorist. I like many people there, but I do not like the government. Neither do a majority of thinking people: that's why Bush's rating is below 38%. That's your pinheaded president with his 'you're either with us or against us' bullshit. Control by terror - and it's working, isn't it - with a majority of the sheeple in the U.S, such as yourself.

I notice you did not address anything that I said in my reply to your previous post, concerning the WORLD needing the U.S. but the poor Americans only getting a kick in the balls for their altruism, etc etc.

I can only assume you had no intelligent rejoiner.

I am deeply disgusted with your government who tries to impose its will on every country. If you ever travelled outside the U.S. (not with the Armed Services) you would get an education on what America's foreign policy, or lack thereof, has done to affect relationships negatively worldwide.

Enjoy your paranoid world Cool

I'm sure Hopeless Insecurity, I mean Homeland Security will take good care of you.

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Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
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That is a profound statement, I like it.
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Since most of my information comes from the media, I get quotes and articles from Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Fulbright to top journalists. About 99% of my info comes from Americans who know more about their country than you and I.
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The question arises: are they all anti-American? Certainly not; they are good citizens who question their leaders, which is their duty.
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A word of caution: you use the word 'hate' too often. (I hardly ever use it) Overdoing it might backfire and it could stick to you permanently. Be careful.

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Pachebell,

Your hatred and twisted view of the world doesn't merit any rejoinder. What ever made you into such a bundle of hatred? Surely not the United States since you live in Canada. Oh, that's right America has exploited Canada and reduced it to the status of a third world dependency. I pity you, but you really do need to get a grip.

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Yes, you do use the word 'hate' a trifle too much. I suspect you are a fearful, paranoid person. That's what America does to people. Don't listen to those voices in your head - you really do need counselling.

Yes, if you read at all, your country just paid Canada back 4 billion of ILLEGAL tariffs collected on our softwoods. You are still a billion short but we never expected to get any of it. We had to take the issue to the WTO after NAFTA ruled against the US for their action. It's taken years while you're President sidestepped the issue. The lumber mills that are permanently closed and the Canadians who are out of work because of your country causes many Canadians to look at America with a jaundiced eye. And you think America is lily white, do you? The softwood issue is just one of many. Americans tend to think of Canada only when they need resources such as water, oil or cheap labour. You cannot reduce us to a developing country (third world is not PC to say) because we are quite developed. We're also a lot more polite than our loud mouth neighbors to the south, but we are, unfortunately, stuck with you Americans. I think the world feels our pain. Cool

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But you seem to forget one thing.
Whatever Canada is now (and FYI I think its a fantastic place) is because of the US and its military might.
The Canadian navy is a few small destroyers,the rest of its military,while a potent force,has always known that any attack on Canada or its territories would bring an immediate US response.
Canada has lived under the protection of NORAD (a US organization) since the inception of NORAD.

Yes,a Canadian used to be the deputy commander,but NORAD is still basically an American organization.
The American military guards ALL of the approaches to Canada,both from the north (Alaska) and the north polar region,the south (the US itself) and the east (the US atlantic fleet).
The western approach to Canada is guarded by the US 7th fleet.

So,complain all you want about the US,just remember that Canada is protected by the US and its military muscle.

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Weall, thank y'all, I feel so dang safe now!

Whatever Canada is? You don't seem to know what Canada is. We define ourselves by our history, which was not made by Americans. We define ourselves by the war you lost to us in 1812. We are proud to be Canadians and have no wish to be like America. No need to stroke yourself and pat yourself on the back. One winter here would kill you.

No one has a reason to attack Canada, except the U.S. which has done it twice, that I know of. You've already invaded with NAFTA and the military.
Like I said, the world feels our pain at being so close to such an aggressor.

Also, I make no apology for our military. We have less people living in ALL of Canada than you have in the state of California (38 million plus or minus in Calif. About 31 million in Canada). We manage very nicely, thank you.

Our focus is not military, nor should it be. Canada is not an aggressive country, and despite Bush and his wishes, we will not be an aggressor but rather a peacemaker.

Like someone said, 'violence is the last refuge of the incompetent'. Such as the U.S.

I think a lot of Canadians would prefer to NOT have Americans skulking and lurking about in our waters and our airspace, but I guess since we're not a super bully we have nothing to say about it.

Your 'military muscle' is hogwash and balderdash. Your muscle is looking a big atrophied lately. Been spreading it a bit too far? The dimensions of your 'empire' getting a bit too large to handle? Like Rome was, isn't it?

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You should count your blessings that there are sane Canadians looking out for your interests. You have obviously lost all sense of conherence and understanding of the real world, so go have a Molson and some poutine and chill for awhile.

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McGentrix wrote:

You should count your blessings that there are sane Canadians looking out for your interests. You have obviously lost all sense of conherence and understanding of the real world, so go have a Molson and some poutine and chill for awhile.

Bush supporters, such as yourself, never had a sense of coherence or understanding of the world as is quite apparent to anyone with a minimum of brains.

Not everyone on the planet likes Americans. I know that comes as a big shock, you people are so like little puppy dogs. In fact, I can't think of any country that admires your country. Can you?

No need for your patronizing attitude. Canada doesn't need protection since we are not on the S**T list. We are not, historically, a military oriented country. Some people find the pen mightier than the sword.

Even your damn national anthem is violent.

Now, go have a double double cheese burger, a large fries and coke & join the rest of the fat americans..... Laughing

(see I can stereotype, too)

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