Why does God permit suffering?

Intrepid in his limited intellect tries to determine what Chumly had planned and how Chumly governs over his plan

neologist wrote:

real life wrote:

neologist wrote:

Real life says his god (never) intends for it to end.

Didn't say this. That was Joe.

Oh, then why does he permit it?

He doesn't.

Man, in his limited intellect tries to determine what God had planned and how He governs over his plan.

Intrepid wrote:

Man, in his limited intellect tries to determine what God had planned and how He governs over his plan.

Intrepid; I thought you might say there are some answers to be found in the bible.

real life wrote:

neologist wrote:

real life wrote:

neologist wrote:

Real life says his god (never) intends for it to end.

Didn't say this. That was Joe.

Oh, then why does he permit it?

He doesn't.

Shheesh!

Then why doesn't he end it?

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Joe(If you say anything like 'mysterious ways' then I'll get angry)Nation

Joe(I love humans, they are so natural)Nation

neologist wrote:

real life wrote:

neologist wrote:

real life wrote:

neologist wrote:

Real life says his god (never) intends for it to end.

Didn't say this. That was Joe.

Oh, then why does he permit it?

He doesn't.

Shheesh!

Then why doesn't he end it?

That's an entirely different question than 'Why does He permit it?'

The Bible foretells the end of suffering on Earth, as I'm sure you are aware.

No hell. No roasting, toasting, baking or broiling. No consciousness. No nothing.

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hey, that reminds me. ever tried to think of life after death, if you won't exist? so confusing. because you know you won't be able to think, but where would you be, what would you do? but you wouldn't exist, so...

I guess I am getting into the mindset that some might understand since they don't want to try to understand the bible.

Do you believe there are any who, upon being resurrected to the prospect of eternal pain free life, would rather curse God than thank him for the second chance?

neologist wrote:

Do you believe there are any who, upon being resurrected to the prospect of eternal pain free life, would rather curse God than thank him for the second chance?

Yes in fact I do.

There are many that revel in their pain. Their pain is part of their symbol of existence. The premise that pain is a definitive negative and that a pain free existence must be an inherently better existence is dubious.

No pain no gain.

Let's get back for a moment to your empathy for the suffering of children:

If you, as a parent, had a child suffering from a debilitating condition, and knew that a certain surgery would give your child a chance for a normal life, would you allow the child to undergo it?
Would you allow surgery even though it might cause considerable pain?
No doubt most of us would.
And, after your child recovers and experiences a few years of pain free and happy life woud he or she thank you for your decision or revile you for the long forgotten pain?

God has even greater empathy for his creations. Think of all the people who have died the most terrible deaths. Do you believe there are any who, upon being resurrected to the prospect of eternal pain free life, would rather curse God than thank him for the second chance?

I know you don't believe in God, so this sounds totally far fetched. But it is what the bible promises. We were created for earthly life and that is the purpose God will see fulfilled. Those who die, no matter how wicked, will simply cease to exist. No hell. No roasting, toasting, baking or broiling. No consciousness. No nothing.

We were created for earthly life and that is the purpose God will see fulfilled. Those who die, no matter how wicked, will simply cease to exist. No hell. No roasting, toasting, baking or broiling. No consciousness. No nothing.

Intrepid wrote:

I guess I am getting into the mindset that some might understand since they don't want to try to understand the bible.

To "understand" the bible is not a de facto confirmation of the literal or symbolic belief in the bible.

In fact "understand" means to comprehend or know thoroughly, it does not impute belief.

I'm not talking about "the righteous pain that comes from your fifth set of power squats" either. I am "talking about the pain of dismemberment and immolation." I am "talking about the pain of losing a loved one in death."

What's the gain in that you ask? I suggest you look closely at many of man's greatest treasures both in the literal sense and in the figurative sense; you will see the pain in the beauty clearly.

I do not know what you mean by "but even if you were right, the dead can't thank or curse anyone". They do not have to "thank or curse anyone" as their impetus lives on with us and through us vis-à-vis many of man's greatest treasures.

(Quote from uno who) . . .
Um. Assuming God creates everything, he would have created, hopefully unlike the natural father, the debilitating condition from which the child, god's child, suffers. That has a certain sadistic nature to it, kind of like he strung the kid up by his thumbs for a couple of hours but then expected gratitude and love once he let him loose. Hallelujah.

Then there is this:

yours truly wrote:

We were created for earthly life and that is the purpose God will see fulfilled. Those who die, no matter how wicked, will simply cease to exist. No hell. No roasting, toasting, baking or broiling. No consciousness. No nothing.

I've read of a minister in Tulsa who ended up being called a heretic for such talk. Imagine : no hell below us, above us only sky. You're getting close. (ellipses) . . .

Joe(I don't need a second chance, I've got this one.)Nation

Chumly wrote:

I'm not talking about "the righteous pain that comes from your fifth set of power squats" either. I am "talking about the pain of dismemberment and immolation." I am "talking about the pain of losing a loved one in death."

What's the gain in that you ask? I suggest you look closely at many of man's greatest treasures both in the literal sense and in the figurative sense; you will see the pain in the beauty clearly.

I do not know what you mean by "but even if you were right, the dead can't thank or curse anyone". They do not have to "thank or curse anyone" as their impetus lives on with us and through us vis-à-vis many of man's greatest treasures.

So, when the artist lops off his ear, we should rejoice?