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Could ANYONE be happier than George Bush and Osama bin Laden

 
 
Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 11:38 am
This is working out like an unbelievable wetdream for the two hasn't it! They must be happy as pigs in dung!


Bush has his never-ending war with which to feed cash to the Corporations!

Osama has radical Islam up in arms as he sits in his little cave being the new Muslim Messiah!


What a great partnership, it has paid off bigtime for the both of them!!

Bush the Great Wartime President!
Osama the new Muslim Messiah!

Hoo Yah!!!!

Anon
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 11:42 am
an excellent example of Bokononism.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 11:46 am
Bokonon says:
"The hand that stocks the drug stores rules the world.

Let us start our Republic (of Iraqislam) with a chain of drug stores, a chain of grocery stores, a chain of gas chambers, and a national game. After that we can write our Constitution."
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Zippo
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 11:46 am
Is Osama Bin Laden winning after all?

Quote:
The Sunday Times February 19, 2006


Bush and Blair have brilliantly done Bin Laden's work for him
Simon Jenkins

Is Osama Bin Laden winning after all? Until recently I would have derided such a thought. How could a tinpot fanatic who is either dead or shut in some mountain hideout hold the world to ransom for five years? It would stretch the imagination of an Ian Fleming.

Now I am beginning to wonder. Not a day passes without some new sign of Bin Laden’s mesmeric grip on the governments of Britain and America. His deeds lie behind half the world’s headlines. British policy seems obsessed with one word: terrorism. The West is equivocating, writhing, slithering in precisely the direction most desired by its enemy. He must be roaring with delight.

On any objective measure, terrorism in the West is a trivial crime. True, New York and London saw outrages in 2001 and 2005 respectively. Both were the outcome of sloppy intelligence. Neither has been repeated, though of course they may be. Policing has improved and probably averted other attacks. But incidents genuinely attributable to Al-Qaeda rather than domestic grievances are comparable to the IRA and pro-Palestinian campaigns. Vigilance is important but only those with money in security have an interest in presenting Bin Laden as a cosmic threat.

Indeed if ever there were a case for collective restraint it is in response to terrorism. The word refers to a technique, usually a bomb, not an ideology. A bombing is an anarchic gesture calling for police and medical services. It becomes a political weapon only if publicised and answered with hysteria. A killing is so staged as to cause over-reaction, violent response, mass arrests and a decay of civilised values. Bin Laden’s intention in 2001 was to portray the West as scared, emotionally vulnerable, over-reactive, decadent and careless of liberal values. The West has done its damnedest to prove him right.

I distrust “basket” analysis but events do sometimes rush in a certain direction. Last week alone brought new revelations of torture by American troops in Iraq. British soldiers were filmed beating demonstrators in Basra. British ministers sought new powers of detention without trial, a national identity database and impediments on free speech. A sectarian leader became prime minister of Iraq and British marines were flown to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan. The United Nations demanded the closure of Guantanamo as a torture camp. The European media indulged in an orgy of finger-pointing at Muslim religious sensitivity. Muslim extremists reacted on cue.

Were I Bin Laden I could not have dreamt that the spirit of 9/11 would be so vigorous five years on. I have western leaders still parroting my motto that “9/11 alters everything” and “the rules of the game are changed”. I have the Taliban resurgent, financed by Europe’s voracious demand for oil and opium. I have the Pentagon and Scotland Yard paying me the compliment of a “long war” of indefinite duration. My potency is said to require more defence spending than was needed to contain the might of the Soviet Union.

There is now a voluminous literature on the politics of fear and its distorting appeal for democratic leaders (this month alone, David Runciman’s admirable The Politics of Good Intentions and Peter Oborne’s The Use and Abuse of Terror). The 9/11 “changes everything” mantra began as an explanation of a national trauma and a plea for sympathy. It was hijacked to validate the latent authoritarianism of democratic leaders.

America asks the world to believe itself so threatened as to require the kidnappings of foreign citizens in foreign parts, detention without legal process, the curbing of free speech and derogation from all international law. It asks the world to believe that it must disregard the Geneva conventions and employ foreign dictators to help it to torture at random. It uses the same justification for occupying Iraq and Afghanistan. The world simply refuses to agree. Only cringeing Britain appeases such actions and calls them merely “anomalous”. There are madmen aplenty, but they do not constitute a war.

Even America’s most robust champions plead that this is all grotesquely counter-productive. What is frightening is not the evil of much American foreign policy at present but its stupidity; the damage it does to its own objectives. What was terrifying about Soviet power in the cold war was not its mega-tonnage but the incompetence of those controlling it.

America and Britain claim the right to invade foreign countries in defiance of international law. This requires at the very least a defensible moral superiority. Americans take this supremacy as read. Moral high ground comes with apple pie and the flag. Yet this supremacy, already questioned by many Americans at home, is in chronic disrepair abroad. Young Europeans and Asians no longer remember the second world war and do not see the world Washington’s way. Their belief in America’ s wealth is secure. Their belief in its values and their relevance to foreign countries is evaporating, blown away by relentless American belligerence. Last year’s BBC poll of 21 countries gave a majority that declared George Bush “a threat to world peace”.

The result is to cripple America’s effectiveness as diplomat and power broker. Take Iran. The emergence of any new nuclear power is alarming. Yet it was tolerated in Israel, India, Pakistan and Korea. Partly because of its isolation, Iran now seems certain to develop a nuclear potential. To respond by increasing that isolation and thus the paranoia of Iran’s turbulent and unstable rulers is daft. The sensible realpolitik must be to give Iran no reason to turn potential into actual power, let alone to want to use it.

I doubt if there is a world leader who would nominate America as best qualified to handle Iran in its present sensitive state. The war-mongering of the neocon ascendancy — the calls for bombing and the constant listing of targets — seems to mirror the fundamentalist mullahs behind President Ahmadinejad. American policy in the Middle East is so counter-productive as to be the problem, not the solution.

In desperation British and German leaders turned last week to the new “multi-polars”, Russia and China, for help with Tehran. This suggests a world moving towards new axes, seeking new leadership and distancing itself from American myopia. The spectacle is similar to the free world’s isolation of the Russian Comintern in the mid-20th century.

Such a recourse is fool’s gold. China and Russia are no more likely to exert sustained influence on the world stage than did Europe’s fragmented diplomacy over the past quarter century. Both have trade interests in Iran and much to gain as brokers of power in the region. Neither is a substitute for America. Neither carries the moral suasion of open and competitive democracy. Both face rumbling insurgencies on their frontiers. Yet the West turns to them in its hour of need. That is the measure of America’s collapse.

There never was a “terrorist threat” to western civilisation or democracy, only to western lives and property. The threat becomes systemic only when democracy loses its confidence and when its leaders are weak, as now. Terror attacks are for the police. For George Bush and Blair to demand a “long war” against Bin Laden and, by implication, a long suppression of civil liberty is ludicrous. Western civilisation is not some simpering weakling that cowers before a fanatic ’s might, pleading for leaders to protect it by all means, however illegal. It has been proof against Islamic expansionism since the 17th century. It is not at risk.

The American president and the British prime minister have spent half a decade exploiting Bin Laden for political ends, in thrall to their security/industrial complex. They have relied on terrifying their electorates with new and bloodcurdling threats, with what Runciman calls “spook politics”. But they will pass. The half-baked “message” laws passed by Britain’s limp parliament last week will fall in disuse. The vitality of British and American democracy has always been its ability to produce antibodies when truly challenged by an internal or external menace. The West will rediscover its self-belief and restore the liberalism, properly defined as freedom, that it once exemplified to the world.

Bin Laden is not going to win and never was. But Bush and Blair are giving him an astonishing run for his money.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 11:49 am
dyslexia wrote:
Bokonon says:
"The hand that stocks the drug stores rules the world.

Let us start our Republic (of Iraqislam) with a chain of drug stores, a chain of grocery stores, a chain of gas chambers, and a national game. After that we can write our Constitution."


I just thought you were giving me the "word of the day" exercise. I had to go look that up before responding. I get it now, thanks for the education Smile

Anon
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 11:50 am
Laughing
The Dys.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 11:54 am
Zippo,

Osama couldn't have hoped for this wildly successful reaction in his wildest dreams. He could only have done so with the fantastic support given to him by the inadequacies and shortcomings of the George Bush Administration.

Osama would be dancing if it wasn't against his religion!

Anon
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 01:00 pm
Ya, these two loonies feed off one another.

This country can't seem to live without perpetual war. If it doesn't have an enemy it goes out of its way to make one.

Notice how all the Muslims rioting against the Muhammad cartoons are directing their anger at America. We can thank Bush for that. He has created an immense hatred for America in the Muslim world by his invasion of Iraq. It's now coming to the surface.

Bush has made Osama a very happy man. Even if bin Laden is killed tomorrow he will go to his grave with the satisfaction of knowing that Bush has created a war that will last for a decade or more. This is not something we will be able to get out of quickly. A lot more Americans are going to die because of Bush and a hugh amount of money will be wasted in the Middle East, money that could be helping Americans and America.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 01:42 pm
xingu wrote:
Ya, these two loonies feed off one another.

Indeed, the two loonies feed off each other in a symbiotic orgasm. Meanwhile, they feed the ignorant loonies that worship them the horseshit required to keep the sides inflamed and at war! Osama will die a martyr and a hero, and George Bush will die one of the most reviled men in history - by MOST of the world, including around 49% of his own people!

This country can't seem to live without perpetual war. If it doesn't have an enemy it goes out of its way to make one.

The U.S. deveoped a peacetime economy in the 90's ... Bush has restored the wartime economy which feeds off death and destruction. No war ... the economy suffers. Kill, destroy, rebuild ... The American Corporate Nirvana!


Notice how all the Muslims rioting against the Muhammad cartoons are directing their anger at America. We can thank Bush for that. He has created an immense hatred for America in the Muslim world by his invasion of Iraq. It's now coming to the surface.

Ignorance and stupidity vs. Ignorance and stupidity

Bush has made Osama a very happy man. Even if bin Laden is killed tomorrow he will go to his grave with the satisfaction of knowing that Bush has created a war that will last for a decade or more. This is not something we will be able to get out of quickly. A lot more Americans are going to die because of Bush and a hugh amount of money will be wasted in the Middle East, money that could be helping Americans and America.


Religion, Uber-Nationality, ignorance, stupidity!! Everything required for Booming Corporate Earnings!!

Anon
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 01:48 pm
Anon,

If you could just harness that passion and bottle it, I think all the worlds problems just might get solved. Laughing
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 02:05 pm
It takes the nation as a whole to save us from this insanity!!

Anon
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 02:17 pm
Granted Anon, but it has to start with just one individual.
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 04:31 pm
There is some truth to it. Osama started something criminal and Bush took the bait.

He began an artificial war that will never end. It is bleeding the economy and shows no results.

To funnel more money into Homeland Security, he weakened FEMA and caused the New Orleans disaster.

Blunder after blunder.
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LionTamerX
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 04:43 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:

Osama would be dancing if it wasn't against his religion!
Anon


Osama is a Southern Baptist ?
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 09:34 pm
LionTamerX wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:

Osama would be dancing if it wasn't against his religion!
Anon


Osama is a Southern Baptist ?


Might as well be Smile Aren't thry basically radical religionists??

Anon
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 07:30 am
I think conservative SB and extreme Muslims have something in common.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/13692
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 07:48 am
xingu,

I didn't see a single thing in that article stating that it was conservative Southern Baptists. I did read that it was religious extremists. Might be the same thing to you, but it's not to me. I would be a Southern Baptist if I claimed a denomination. And, even as a Southern Baptist, I don't believe it is a sin to dance. Even David danced in the Bible. And I certainly would not threaten anyone in such a manner.

Thought you might want to find a little narrower brush to paint with. :wink:
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 09:00 am
Momma

Maybe I should modify that. If you dance for God it is good. All other dancing is bad.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-dance.html

http://www.easthuntsville.org/ForYourReading/Dancing.htm

Again I must remind you that Christianity is a very diverse religion. It has many Gods. So the God you may believe in may not be the same God of the Christian sect next door to you. Different rules-different Gods. So I'm not speaking for all SB's.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 11:34 am
Momma Angel wrote:
xingu,

I didn't see a single thing in that article stating that it was conservative Southern Baptists. I did read that it was religious extremists. Might be the same thing to you, but it's not to me. I would be a Southern Baptist if I claimed a denomination. And, even as a Southern Baptist, I don't believe it is a sin to dance. Even David danced in the Bible. And I certainly would not threaten anyone in such a manner.

Thought you might want to find a little narrower brush to paint with. :wink:


Having been one Momma (amazing, huh), believe me Southern Baptists are definitely something else. All the rest of the "Christians", are going to Hell, because they aren't SB's!

Anon
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 12:32 pm
Well Anon, here's a glitch here; from information I received all SB are going to Hell because they don't go to church on the proper day. Got that from a SDA.

But I must clarify something here. SDA don't believe we die when we die. We are unconscious. When the Resurrection comes all will rise from the grave and those who went to church on Saturday and refrained from pork will be with God. The rest will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire.

http://www.wichita-sda.org/yourfriends.html#choose
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