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Iran, Iraq, Hamas and Cartoons

 
 
Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 08:07 pm
A Perfect Geo-Political Storm Taking Shape

The ingredients are Iraq, Iran, Hamas and cartoons deemed blasphemous by Muslims

by Leon Hadar

The best thing you can say about Vice-President Dick Cheney's recent "hunting incident" is that, to the relief of members of his family, Cheney didn't shoot himself in the foot.

Unfortunately, you cannot say the same thing about the policies that officials in Washington and Jerusalem seem to devising these days as part of their common strategy to deal with Iran's nuclear program and the electoral victory of Hamas in Palestine.

According to news reports, Americans and Israelis are working on a plan to "starve out" the Hamas-controlled Palestinian Authority (PA). The idea is that denying economic resources to the PA would force Hamas to give up terrorism and recognize Israel, and that if the ruling Islamic movement elected by a landslide in a free and open election refuses to submit to the outside pressure, it would be forced to do so by the Palestinian people.

At the same time, as it's becoming clear that the Iranians are not willing to reach a compromise with the US and its European allies on taking steps to end its nuclear program and that the United Nations will probably not be able to force Teheran to do so, experts are suggesting that the Americans and Israelis will have no other option but to use military force and bomb some of the Iranian nuclear facilities in order to slow down Iran's drive to acquire nuclear capability.

But if they take such action, the Americans and the Israelis will end up transforming problems they had helped to create in the first place into dangerous international diplomatic and military crises bound to intertwine with Clash of Civilizations incidents such as the recent "cartoons war" and produce a geo-political perfect storm.

Political saviors

It was the Israeli strategy, backed by the Bush administration, aimed at isolating and weakening the late Yasser Arafat and his secular and more moderate Fatah movement, which had recognized Israel's right to exist, that created the conditions for the Hamas victory in an election that was promoted by Washington as another step in the US-led "March to Freedom" in the Middle East.

If anyone had to draw in 2000 an outline of a plan to ensure that Hamas would come to power, he or she would have had only to propose the same kind of polices that were advanced by the Israelis and the Americans and that helped radicalize the Palestinians and encourage them to turn to Hamas as their political saviors.

Similarly, much of the US policy in the Middle East and specifically towards Iran has helped produce a regional and international environment in which Teheran finds itself now with more diplomatic and military cards to help it resist American pressure. First, Washington has rejected the proposals by realist strategic thinkers to engage Iran and attempt to conclude a "grand bargain" with it that would have included not only the nuclear issue but would have dealt with the common interests the two governments share in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Instead, the Americans "contracted" the Western diplomatic services of the European governments to press Iran to make concessions. Ironically, while doing their best to isolate Iran, the Americans also took steps to enhance Iran's power. Indeed, the ouster by the US of the Taliban in Afghanistan and of Saddam Hussein in Iraq benefited Iran's national interests and led to the election in Iraq - again, promoted as part of America's efforts to spread democracy - that brought to power in Baghdad a Shi'ite clerical political bloc with ties to Teheran.

The Iranians have decided that nuclear military power could provide them with the ability to deter the Americans (and the Israelis) from challenging their influence in the Persian Gulf. And they are aware that the combination of an Iranian petro-power and an overstretched US military would make it very difficult for Washington to threaten Teheran with economic and diplomatic sanctions or invade the country.

But the Americans know that a failure to prevent the Iranians from asserting their power in the Persian Gulf would be a major blow to the hegemonic US strategy in the Middle East and encourage regional players like Saudi Arabia to make deals with Teheran that seems to be now in a position to emerge as a leader of a "Shi'ite Crescent" that could include the Hizbollah in Lebanon, Shi'ite minorities in the Arab Gulf states, and - thanks to US policies - a Shi'ite-led government in Iraq.

The Israelis view the Hamas electoral victory as a major blow to their long-term strategic interests since it could lead to the establishment of a Palestinian entity committed to the elimination of the Jewish state and would complicate their plans to keep Israeli control over parts of the Palestinian territories after a unilateral withdrawal from other parts of the West Bank.

To put all this in context: In the Persian Gulf and in Israel/Palestine, radical forces opposed to the American-Israeli axis are on the march. Indeed, from the perspectives of both Washington and Jerusalem, Iran is poised to achieve nuclear capability and head a "Shi'ite Crescent," and a resurgent anti-Israeli Hamas is serving as a model to Muslim Brotherhood groups in Egypt and other Arab-Sunni countries. A radical "Sunni Crescent" would be regarded as a strategic threat to common US and Israeli interest in having a dominant US in the region.

It is this complex regional reality which explains why both the Americans and the Israelis have concluded that they need to "do something" ASAP so as to prevent the war in Iraq and the unilateral Israeli withdrawal from Gaza from turning out to be the first stages in a losing strategic game for them.

But the policies that are now being discussed in Washington and Jerusalem are only bound to aggravate the situation and end up achieving what could amount to scoring own-goals in a soccer game. Trying to isolate and punish the Palestinians with economic sanctions will probably only help enhance Hamas's popularity in Palestine and the Arab world, in addition to proving an ineffective policy tool.

It's not difficult to conceive of how the images of starving Palestinian kids being broadcast on Al Jazeera could ignite anti-American demonstrations in Teheran, Damascus and elsewhere, and make it even more likely that the Iranians and the Arab oil-producing states as well as many Western NGOs would end up channeling economic assistance to the West Bank and Gaza to replace the canceled aid from the European Union and the US.

And while US and/or Israeli bombing of Iranian nuclear sites could in theory slow down Iran's nuclear program, it could also help President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the militant clerics rally the Iranian people, including secular and liberal Iranians, against the US and help mobilize support for Iran's cause among Arabs and other Muslims.

Anti-US oil embargo

It won't be surprising if governments in the pro-American oil-producing states in the Arab Persian Gulf, notwithstanding their antipathy towards Iran, will come under pressure from their people to join in some form of an oil embargo against the US.

One could also imagine how a confrontation between Iran and the US and Israel could radicalize the Hizbollah in Lebanon and play into the hands of an angry and isolated Syria.

American officials and pundits are hoping that, unlike the Iraq War, when the EU refused to join the US in the military adventure, many of the European governments will back an American drive to punish Iran and isolate Hamas. But while the EU will probably be ready to continue raising the diplomatic pressure on the Iranians, it's not clear that it will side with Washington if and when the US or Israel decides to attack Iran's nuclear facilities.

And when it comes to Hamas, it's quite likely that European governments, including France, will refuse to join an all-out effort to "starve out" the PA and will be more inclined to "engage" a Hamas-led PA even if refuses to renounce terrorism and recognize Israel.

The Russians and the Chinese, whose policies are driven by the need to shore up their economic interests in the Middle East, are certainly not on the American team when it comes to Iran and Palestine.

But with the Bush administration unwilling to consider other more pragmatic policy options to deal with these two issues - and with pro-Israeli Democratic figures, including Hillary Clinton sounding even more hawkish than the leading neocons - Washington's approach will probably become more confrontational in the coming weeks and could generate that geopolitical storm.

Some observers would dismiss such forecast as gloom-and-doom worst-case scenario. But the recent violent demonstrations by Muslims around the world who were angry at the publication of the cartoons in the Danish newspaper reflect the kind of powerful anti-Western sentiments in the Middle East and the Muslim world that could be mobilized by governments and movements that are interested in turning Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations from an academic exercise in theory formation into a real conflict between the US and governments in the Middle East.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 02:30 pm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/jesusmuhammad.jpg
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 02:54 pm
nice bf

are those TWO MEN KISSING?
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 04:22 pm
Steve, looks like they are kissing. Jesus and Muhammad. Who knew? A great mataphor I think.
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 08:13 pm
So does anyone have an actual comment regarding the article or just cute cartoons that might inflame the potential Muslim lurker?
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 08:33 pm
Anonymouse, well I think inflaming Mulims is highly profitable for war mongers on all sides. Starving out Palestinians is a similar strategy. Keep people divided, angry and killing one another. I dont think the cartoon I posted was meant to inflame. Although it probably would anger some Muslims and Christians too. Christ and Muhammod must share a lot of tears if they exist in any form or dimension.
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 08:52 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Anonymouse, well I think inflaming Mulims is highly profitable for war mongers on all sides. Starving out Palestinians is a similar strategy. Keep people divided, angry and killing one another. I dont think the cartoon I posted was meant to inflame. Although it probably would anger some Muslims and Christians too. Christ and Muhammod must share a lot of tears if they exist in any form or dimension.


Very lucid post.

I truly cannot stand the overly religious among us.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 07:49 am
Hamas could be just what we needed

By Bradley Burston

Monday, 20 February (36 days to election day)


We hate Hamas. Who wouldn't?

We hate them for what they have done to us, the masses of innocent people they have murdered, orphaned, maimed for life.

We hate them, as well, because they scare us to death. No one likes to live scared. No one likes to admit to it, least of all Israelis.

We hate thinking about them. How they got to where they are. In a democratic election. We hate thinking about how popular they are with the Palestinian people. We hate thinking about having fostered them at first. We hate thinking about having to deal with them now.

We hate them, in part, because we can't trust them, and, in part, because we can't forgive them. We hate them for our being confused. And no wonder.

We hate thinking that the hudna might be working. We hate thinking about the reasons for a precipitous drop in the number of Israelis killed over the last year.

We hate thinking that only terrorists can get terrorists to hold their fire.

We hate our own confusion, and we blame Hamas, not without justification. Hamas issues mixed messages twice daily.

We hate our inability to interpret them. Shin Bet chief Yuval Diskin said this week that Hamas would aim for a long-term cease-fire, in order to curry international favor.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=685019&contrassID=2 Can we trust them? No more than they can trust us, which is to say, not at all.

All we can trust is what the Palestinians want themselves. Shockingly, they didn't vote in Hamas to finish us off. They want jobs, security, social welfare, honest officials.

Shockingly, to Israelis, the Palestinians didn't vote Hamas because they want us dead. They voted Hamas because they want a life.

Contrary to the repeated extermination camp blather of supremely self-satisfied Lawrence of Arabia leftists, Israel is not about to starve the Palestinians or engage in collective punishment. No more, that is, that we've been doing on a routine basis, left and right, Labor and Likud, since the 70s.

Then what is all of this? Beyond it all, we hate thinking that Hamas might be telling the truth.
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 01:17 am
blueflame1 wrote:

Then what is all of this? Beyond it all, we hate thinking that Hamas might be telling the truth.


Also, it's interesting how when democracy actually does take place, America, the loudest to proclaim democracy as the best thing, is the first to condemn it.

Ahh, but where would the world be without contradiction and without hypocrisy? Many a philosophers and poets would have no jobs!
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 01:10 pm
Anonymouse wrote:
Also, it's interesting how when democracy actually does take place, America, the loudest to proclaim democracy as the best thing, is the first to condemn it.


uh, be careful what ya wish for ?
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 7 Mar, 2006 06:30 am
Since this is a thread with Iran and Hamas, I thought maybe these articles could go here.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060307/ts_nm/russia_usa_dc

Quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Growing U.S.-Russian tensions including differences over Iran and the Palestinian militant group Hamas are expected to be aired in talks on Tuesday between Russia's foreign minister and the Bush administration.

Sergei Lavrov's visit for meetings with President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also follows the weekend publication of an influential think-tank report urging Washington to stop treating "authoritarian" Russia as a partner.

Russia has undercut America's drive to isolate Hamas by hosting the group in Moscow after its victory in Palestinian elections. Moscow has also been seeking to forge its own agreement with Iran to curb its nuclear programs and slow the U.S. campaign for U.N. measures against the Islamic republic.

The moves come amid rising strains over what Washington sees as Russian President Vladimir Putin's increasing grip on power, one that belies his status as chair of July's summit of the Group of Eight industrialized democracies.



Quote:
JERUSALEM - Israel's acting prime minister vowed on Tuesday that his Kadima Party would shave billions off settlement spending, while his defense minister advised the incoming Palestinian prime minister to fear for his life if Hamas militants start attacking Israel again.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's comments marked the first time he said explicitly he would scale back funding for Israel's 40-year-old settlement enterprise, which has cost the state tens of billions of dollars.

Polls show Kadima significantly outstripping rivals in Israel's March 28 elections.

Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz's warning to Hamas, recently elected to rule the Palestinian Authority, was the first to identify Hamas' prime minister-designate, Ismail Haniyeh, as a potential target for an Israeli pinpoint attack.

"No one is immune," Mofaz told Army Radio, a day after an Israeli air strike on an ice cream truck killed two Islamic Jihad militants and three bystanders in Gaza City. Two of those killed were children, ages eight and 14.

Olmert, in a speech in Tel Aviv, said "billions" in settlement spending would be diverted to Jerusalem and to the Negev Desert and Galilee, underdeveloped areas in southern and northern Israel.

source
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2006 02:48 pm
Gen. Pace to Troops: Don't Nuke Iran Illegal, immoral orders should be disobeyed
by Jorge Hirsch
At the luncheon of the National Press Club on Feb. 17, 2006, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Peter Pace, was asked by his interviewer, John Donnelly: "Should people in the U.S. military disobey orders that they believe are illegal?" Pace's response:

"It is the absolute responsibility of everybody in uniform to disobey an order that is either illegal or immoral."

Thank you, Gen. Pace. Donnelly didn't follow up on his question, so I will, trusting that your answers to my questions will represent your core beliefs, stated on earlier occasions. Gen. Pace, how does your Feb. 17 statement apply to a situation in which troops are ordered to use certain weapons?

Pace: "[T]hey will be held accountable for the decisions they make. So they should in fact not obey the illegal and immoral orders to use weapons of mass destruction."

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/hirsch.php?articleid=8678
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mele42846
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 01:18 am
I find it amazing that those who would invoke morality in war are often those who have no moral authority themselves.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 01:50 am
mele42846 wrote:
I find it amazing that those who would invoke morality in war are often those who have no moral authority themselves.


and by that you mean ?
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mele42846
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 04:51 pm
Blueflame and the writer of the article on Hamas apparently know NOTHING about Hamas and the situation in Palestine. But, since we have a free press, I guess that is the price we must pay.

The Israelis must not and can not be taken lightly. They have been underrated in the past and their military successes combined with their surgical strike on Iraq changed the situation in the Middle East radically.

The problem that is clear in Blueflame's post is that Anti-Semitism is alive and well!!!
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 05:03 pm
mele42846 wrote:
Blueflame and the writer of the article on Hamas apparently know NOTHING about Hamas and the situation in Palestine. But, since we have a free press, I guess that is the price we must pay.

The Israelis must not and can not be taken lightly. They have been underrated in the past and their military successes combined with their surgical strike on Iraq changed the situation in the Middle East radically.

The problem that is clear in Blueflame's post is that Anti-Semitism is alive and well!!!


you know that the piece your talking about is from haaretz, an israeli publication ?

about harretz
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mele42846
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 11:04 pm
Israel has a free press. much like we do. You may not be aware of it but there are some peaceniks in Israel who would give everything to the Palestinians just as we have peaceniks in the USA who would allow the Al Qadea to continue urinating on the graves of the 2,800 who died in the WTC.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 08:03 am
(Abramoff) Charity money funds illegal settlements

The following is a Special Report by The Institute for Research Middle East Policy "IRmep"

Israeli government officials recently disclosed that at least US $60 billion has been spent financing illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank and Gaza. According to Israeli prosecutor Talia Sasson, the Israeli government has systematically violated its own laws by financing settlements from foreign donations, the official state budget and secret military accounts. One global nonprofit, the World Zionist Organization, played a central role in coordinating illegal settlement activities.

Opaque and fungible assets freed up by massive yearly US foreign aid to Israel are pouring into settlement development and infrastructure building designed to partition key Palestinian territories and annex others to the state of Israel. US nonprofits are directly and indirectly financing the coordination of illegal settlement building, encroachment, and violence against Palestinians. Recently disclosed charitable contributions from US lobbyist Jack Abramoff laundered to finance violent armed Israeli activity in the Palestinian territories is only the tip of the iceberg. Considered against the findings of a groundbreaking new study revealing the causes of suicide terrorism, Americans must confront a disturbing question: "Are tax exempt donations from the US generating terrorist retaliation against America?"

Money laundering, occupation and terrorism
http://www.arabamericannews.com/newsarticle.php?articleid=3829
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 08:07 am
Brushfire civil war: Israel, the new enemy of the True Jew

By Bradley Burston

The time has come to choose your side. The civil war has begun.

On one side of this War Between the States are the Children of Light. The pure, the young and untainted, the real Jews, who care nothing for themselves, only for the Land of Israel. Passionate, tireless, leaderless.

They are the New Genuine Jews. And they have a new enemy: The state of Israel.

Increasingly, the language of hardline settlers has taken on a note of estrangement, even divorce from institutions of the state, the police, the Supreme Court, the army, the prime minister. "This is an army of Israelis who hate the Jews," a Hebron resident said last week.

By no means are they representative of settlers as a whole, or of pro-settler Israelis, nor youth as a whole, nor even settler youth. Their mindset and methods often harm the settlers' cause, and the settlers know it. They are small in number. Theirs is a brushfire civil war. But brushfires can take directions and forms which no one can control.

You know the children's crusade in its many forms, the Vegan Hippie Carlebachites, the hardcore Confederacy of Kahane, the separatist State of Judea loyalists, the settlement-born Orange Diaper Babies of the Hilltop Youth.

You know them by the way they relate to the rest of us. The quiet, knowing disdain that says that they know more than we, they care more than we, they suffer more, contribute more, matter more.

They are saintly where we are profane, godly where we are lost. And, to the extent that we serve in this army or support this government, we are something else as well. The enemy.

"This is a war," said Asaf Baruchi of Beit El settlement, standing bandaged and in a sling in from of Hadassah hospital in Jerusalem, the left half of his face striped in the blood of his own scalp. "It's a war between cultures. The left is trying to lliquidate religious Zionism, the only alternative."

Baruchi was beaten in the violent collisions between pro-settler demonstrators and the troops and police that came to oust them from Amona, a West Bank outpost not far from Baruchi's home. As many as 100 were injured on each side. A 15-year-old was critically injured by a police nightstick, and a policeman was critically injured by a thrown rock.

"The army's not yours, it's ours," Baruchi told Channel 10 talk show host Rafi Reshef, in response to a question about the actions of IDF troops in Amona. "You stole it, but we're going to take it back."

more http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=677531&contrassID=2
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mele42846
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 10:07 am
Since society does evolve, it is possible that someday Christians will react to the blasphemies of Jesus Christ in the same way that Muslims fulminate against alleged blasphemies against Mohammed.

It is ironic to watch those who plea for "tolerance" for the sexually perverted bash Jesus Christ considered God by many.

It is the worst kind of PR for those on the fringes of society to plead for tolerance while displaying none.

But it will not be forgotten. It was not forgotten by those who voted in private and upset what was supposed to be the clear winner---Brokeback Mountain. It will also not be forgotten when most states have the DOMA law in place and the USSC refuses to review a challenge by the ACLU stating that those state constitutional amendments inplementing DOMA violate the US constitution. And it will serve the intolerant haters of religion just perfectly.
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