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Family Farms Rapidly Disappearing in California

 
 
StSimon
 
Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 08:46 pm
Watching TV tonight, CBS News, so I don't have a link to provide. Since 1998, 11,000 family farms in California have folded. High costs of doing business have been one of the reasons. Another has been the development of homes in prime agricultural land.

The thing I'm curious about is just who the heck is getting that 200 billion (over ten years) that congress recently gave the farmers??

Any ideas??
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 08:48 pm
The bulk of the money goes to the big guys like ConAgra. The best most small farms can get are state tax breaks.
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StSimon
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 09:06 pm
I thought the aid was supposed to be for the small farmer. Isn't that what they told it was for?
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 09:20 pm
Not if you look at what crops are being subsidized. It's mostly things like wheat, corn, and soy beans - small farms can't grow those crops and survive. There are funds going to dairy farmers, but you don't find many small dairy farms around because it's just not profitable. This is a big topic and you can search on the web for details as to why the small farmer in America is close to extinction.
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 10:32 pm
In 2004 Federal Ag Subsidies were paid to 1,169,540 different farmers/groups/companies. If you look at the top 20 (from a dollar perspective) they are almost exclusively rice and citrus growers. The major exception to that list is Ducks Unlimited - a group that manages to get Federal Ag subsidies under the wetlands conservation program by buying up farmlands and converting them (in some cases, reverting them back...) to wetlands. In other words, huge chunks of agricultural subsidies are going to pay people NOT to grow anything. (DU is just one of some 700,000 people/groups that got paid a total of just over $2 billion not to grow anything.)

All of the Ag subsidy distributions can be found here:
http://www.ewg.org/farm/index.php

Interestingly, most people probably wouldn't recoginze many of the names on the lists.
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StSimon
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 11:03 pm
I was under the delusion that these programs were meant to help the family farmer. Stupid me.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 02:07 am
Listening..
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 07:26 am
You're not stupid StSimon. I think the many people are on under the impression that the government is trying to help small farms. Fishin' is correct that the money goes in places you might be surprised at.
Actually, most the environmental money has been removed from the current Bush budget, especially for prairie restoration on farmland. I'll try and get back here later with better sourcing.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 09:08 am
its happening here too people, its a 1st world phenomenon.

I read the other day American subsidies to wheat farmers in the U.S. are more than the entire Australian wheat crop is worth.

The bulk of Australian farm subsidies are drought assistance.


The quote below is from 2002 but still relevent i think

BBC
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US farmers will now receive about 50% of all their income in the shape of government handouts.

In Australia the figure is 7%.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 09:21 am
I would like to add my comments to this thread but I don't think I can do it without my head exploding.
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 09:46 am
StSimon wrote:
I was under the delusion that these programs were meant to help the family farmer. Stupid me.


I think this is a common assumption.

One program that we in the Midwest are familiar with the the Conservation Reserve Program or CRP. It is ostensibly a conservation program. Acres are set aside and no planting is allowed. Here's a link to the CRP site.

A number of (arguably) good things are accomplished by the CRP. Land that is highly erodible is protected by continuous vegetative cover. Wildlife habitat is created. Crop prices are also supported when farmers take land out of production.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 06:04 pm
dyslexia wrote:
I would like to add my comments to this thread but I don't think I can do it without my head exploding.


I would love to see your comments on this one! Put on a tight hat and let fly!

Anon
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 07:39 pm
Happening everywhere.

A few months ago, I went on a trip to the far north-east of Hungary with a friend and two of her friends. We stayed at the place of another friend, an environmentalist who lived in a self-renovated farmstead in an absolutely idyllic village there. We went there because of the nearby caves, but the whole area is now a national park, and wandering there is beautiful.

When we were driving through the area back out to Miskolc/Eger the next day, I told the guy that it struck me that the rare folk we saw on the street were all old. Weathered-looking and old. In concise, business-like manner, he proceeded to sketch a birds eye overview of a tragedy with farcical elements. I made notes some time, but I cant find them back, so this is by heart; forgive me if I make stupid mistakes, I know nothing of agriculture. This was the general drift:

Basically, the small Hungarian farmers, he said (and there's a lot of them, there's even a Party of Smallholders that was a major player in the early 90s, and back in the 40s had half the vote), are dying out - or soon will be.

They work on small plots, with relatively sobre machinery. They cannot compete with the products that, since the end of communism, are imported from mass farms in the West (in massive, polluting road transport, natch).

Much of those imports comes from the 'old' EU countries, where farmers can produce cheaper, more solid products - thanks to massive subsidies from the state and the EU.

Hungary's own government in turn, in its understandable eagerness to get approved for EU membership, agreed in the accession negotiations to terms that accord its own farmers subsidies of a fraction of the amount their richer Western counterparts get (20% or the like).

In an area like this, all this means a total lack of prospects for the family farms. There is no other employment of note, and no higher education. There's also nothing to do: to see a movie, say, you have to go to a town three hours out. So all the young people move out. It's a self-strengthening process as no youngster wants to stay in a place where there's only old people, and the fewer young people there are, the less ground for anything to be established.

With all the young people moving out and only old folks surviving on scraggy farms or 200-250 dollar a month pensions left, there's no way to run a profitable business anymore. So all the shops have closed too. Same with post offices. You now have to travel a long way out for even the most basic services. The bus comes a few times a day.

As the young move away and the old people can not survive on their farms in the face of subsidized imports or modern competition, farmland falls fallow. This is a problem because the National Park was established to protect a landscape of meadows and farmland. So now the National Park itself has employees harvest hay etc., at significant state expenditure. All the unmarketable harvest is then trucked to the incinerator - and destroyed. ( Exclamation )

The remaining old folk in the villages meanwhile, are left to depend on their extremely meagre pensions. Often, just the costs for water, heating, etc are more than what their pensions can afford. After all, under communism those things were subsidized to the point of negligeability, but now newly privatised companies sell it expensively.

In the old times, in villages where everyone knew each other, residents would be able to get things on credit at the local shop when the end of the month was near - but there's no local shops anymore.

The heating is a particular problem, as it gets pretty cold up there. The point to make here is that old Hungarian houses have traditional stone heatings - my previous apartment still had one too. Basically, its a large rectangular tower of stone in the corner of your living room; the tower is heated by gas, it becomes warm very slowly but then the stone holds the heat for a long time. So it's a very cheap, if very slow way of heating your living room.

After the fall of communism, salesmen went round the country reminding people how comfortable it would be if they could heat up their house instantly, and not just the living room. They offered cut-rate introduction prices for central heating, installed at no cost. Many Hungarians, eager to join the 20th century and naive in the ways of the market economy, bought in.

Roma tradesmen, in turn, jumped at the chance and went into the villages to buy up all the old stone heating stoves. They dissembled them, transported them to the city and sold them to the emerging middle class who wanted them in their newly bought apartments for ornamental value.

Now, the pensioners in the villages are stuck with central heating costs far beyond what they can afford - and without any fall-back option. So they just don't pay, and get into trouble - or they don't eat.

The villages, he said, are basically doomed. The only rescue potential of sorts would be what you see in the West - rich retirees from the city moving to the countryside and buying up houses. This would only bring a different kind of death, of course, pricing locals out of the market and turning original farming villages into kitsch pastiches - but it would be something. But that kind of development only comes with a certain level of prosperity, which in Hungary will take a decade or more to appear. By that time, it will be too late.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 07:40 pm
I dont want to hijack the tread and turn it into an aussie thing. I just thought this had relevance.

Our Future: Family farms to remain the cornerstone of agriculture
By MICHAEL THOMSON - Australia
Thursday, 16 February 2006

An independent review has confirmed that well organised and efficient family farms will remain a cornerstone of Australian agriculture.

But this will happen only through a greater emphasis on research and innovation.The Creating Our Future report was released in Canberra today following a 12-month stocktake by the Government's Agriculture and Food Policy Reference Group chaired by National Farmers' Federation president, Peter Corish.

The report makes numerous recommendations, including greater emphasis on innovation, cutting red tape, and more effective supply chains, in order to ensure a viable future for family farmers over the next 10 to 15 years.

"The priority is to develop self-reliant and profitable agriculture and food businesses," Mr Corish said.

Agriculture Minister, Peter McGauran, says the 'Corish Report' will make a "lasting contribution to the long-term viability of Australia's agriculture and food industries and the communities they sustain".

"Its findings affect governments at all levels, as well as industry, and cover matters as diverse as trade, biotechnology, natural resources, transport, quarantine and biosecurity," Mr McGauran said.

"Generally, the Corish Report is optimistic about the sector's future, but warns that there are major challenges ahead."

The Government will now consider the report in detail, having already been taken to Cabinet.

NFF chief executive, Ben Fargher, is hoping the recommendations are taken on in full.

But that will require the cooperation of the States as well, on issues such as natural resource management and genetically modified foods.

Copies are available on-line from: www.daff.gov.au

SOURCE: Rural Press National News Bureau, Agricultural Publishing, Canberra.



dys i want to know what you have to say too
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 07:47 pm
Some time from now this all will become newly prime land.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 09:13 pm
I can see where I have a lot of catchup to do in this subject. It looks like just so much more Corporate Welfare at the expense of middle America.

Ducks unlimited, 2 Billion, sheese!!!

Anon
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