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VP shoots Texan Lawyer Redux

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 05:38 am
edgarblythe wrote:
Doody. It was a picture of Cheney with his victim tied on top of the car.


<snort>

Wish the cartoon had worked, edgar.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 06:12 am
Does anyone remember the old Woody Allen routine of his moose hunt? Please permit me...

He goes moose hunting and shoots a moose and ties it to the hood of his car. He's coming home through the Holland Tunnel when the moose (he only winged it) regains consciousness and begins signalling a right turn. Woody, panicking, remembers that he's been invited that evening to a costume party at the Goldsteins. He and the moose knock at their door. They are greeted by the Goldsteins who are dressed in a moose costume. They go in. The moose mingles. He does very well. He gets lucky. There is a vote for best costume and the Goldstein's win. The moose explodes in anger and Woody shoots him, straps him to the hood and heads home. Coming through the Holland Tunnel, the moose regains consciousness. But its the Goldsteins.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 06:15 am
Only Woody could have written that.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 06:18 am
Very funny, blatham.
I badly needed a laugh.
Thanks.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 06:58 am
Quote:
Cheney Cited for Breaking Hunting Law

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney has been given a warning citation for breaking Texas hunting law by failing to buy a $7 stamp allowing him to shoot upland game birds.

The warning came from the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department after it investigated Cheney's accidental shooting of a fellow quail hunter Saturday on the private Armstrong Ranch in the south part of the state.

The department found the accident was caused by a "hunter's judgment factor" when Cheney sprayed another hunter while aiming at flying birds.

The report said the victim, prominent Republican attorney Harry Whittington of Austin, was retrieving a downed bird and stepped out of the hunting line he was sharing with Cheney. "Another covey was flushed and Cheney swung on a bird and fired, striking Whittington in the face, neck and chest at approximately 30 yards," the report said.

Cheney, an experienced hunter, has not commented publicly about the accident. His office said Monday night in a statement that Cheney had a $125 nonresident hunting license and has sent a $7 check to cover the cost of the stamp. "The staff asked for all permits needed, but was not informed of the $7 upland game bird stamp requirement," the statement said.

Whittington also received a warning for failing to have the stamp. A department spokesman said warnings are being issued in most cases because the stamp requirement only went into effect five months ago and many hunters aren't aware of it.

Whittington was in stable condition at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial and was moved from intensive care to a "step-down unit" Monday. Doctors decided to leave several birdshot pellets lodged in his skin rather than try to remove them.

Katharine Armstrong, owner of the ranch where the shooting occurred, said it happened toward the end of the hunt, when it was still sunny but as darkness was encroaching and they were preparing to go inside. She said Whittington made a mistake by not announcing that he had walked up to rejoin the hunting line, and Cheney didn't see him as he tried to down a bird.

Armstrong said she saw Cheney's security detail running toward the scene. "The first thing that crossed my mind was he had a heart problem," she told The Associated Press.

She said Cheney stayed "close but cool" while the agents and medical personnel treated Whittington, then took him by ambulance to the hospital. Later, the hunting group sat down for dinner while Whittington was being treated, receiving updates from a family member at the hospital. Armstrong described Cheney's demeanor during dinner as "very worried" about Whittington.

Pamela Willeford, the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland, another member of the hunting party, told The Dallas Morning News for a story in Tuesday's editions that she and Cheney didn't realize Whittington had picked up a bird and caught up with them.

Willeford said she has hunted with Cheney before and would again.

"He's a great shot. He's very safety conscious. This is something that unfortunately was a bad accident and when you're with a group like that, he's safe or safer than all the rest of us," she said.

The accident raised questions about Cheney's adherence to hunting safety practices and the White House's failure to disclose the accident in a timely way.

Duane Harvey, president of the Wisconsin Hunter Education Instructors Association, said if Whittington had made his presence known "that would have been a polite thing to do." But, he added, "it's still the fault upon the shooter to identify his target and what is beyond it."

President Bush was told about Cheney's involvement in the accident shortly before 8 p.m. Saturday ?- about an hour after it occurred ?- but the White House did not disclose the accident until Sunday afternoon, and then only in response to press questions.

Facing a press corps upset that news had been withheld, press secretary Scott McClellan said, "I think you can always look back at these issues and look at how to do a better job."

Armstrong said she told Cheney on Sunday morning that she was going to inform the local paper, the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. She said he agreed, and the newspaper was the first to report the incident on its Web site Sunday afternoon.

Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said that about an hour after Cheney shot Whittington, the head of the Secret Service's local office called the Kenedy County sheriff to report the accident. "They made arrangements at the sheriff's request to have deputies come out and interview the vice president the following morning at 8 a.m. and that indeed did happen," Zahren said.

At least one deputy showed up at the ranch's front gate Saturday evening and asked to speak to Cheney but was turned away by the Secret Service, Zahren said. There was some miscommunication that arrangements already had been made to interview Cheney the next morning, he said.

Gilbert San Miguel, chief deputy sheriff for Kenedy County, said the department's report had not been completed Monday and that it was being handled as a hunting accident, although he would not comment about what exactly they were investigating. Both the sheriff's department and the state have determined that alcohol did not appear to be a factor.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060214/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cheney_hunting_accident

Sorry for posting the whole article, but I didn't quite know where to cut it off since through out the article there are some interesting little tid bits. On the whole I think it was just a hunting accident that as usual the WH is first trying to hide and now spin.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 07:02 am
It's from the late sixties when he was touring colleges and doing the hungry i, etc. Incredibly funny and ground-breaking stuff from that period. Recently, he said he listened to some of those old recordings, having always assumed they would hold up, but now finding them cheap and predictable. But that is Woody's neurosis. He will, and this simply is not fair, never understand how much joy he bestowed.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 07:09 am
blatham wrote:
Does anyone remember the old Woody Allen routine of his moose hunt? Please permit me...

He goes moose hunting and shoots a moose and ties it to the hood of his car. He's coming home through the Holland Tunnel when the moose (he only winged it) regains consciousness and begins signalling a right turn. Woody, panicking, remembers that he's been invited that evening to a costume party at the Goldsteins. He and the moose knock at their door. They are greeted by the Goldsteins who are dressed in a moose costume. They go in. The moose mingles. He does very well. He gets lucky. There is a vote for best costume and the Goldstein's win. The moose explodes in anger and Woody shoots him, straps him to the hood and heads home. Coming through the Holland Tunnel, the moose regains consciousness. But its the Goldsteins.

What? I haven't seen this movie -- which one was that in?
(EDIT: Your last post answered that. Is there a recording of it somewhere?)
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 07:24 am
thomas

There were still vinyl records around a decade or so ago (and earlier, of course) if one searched them out in used record stores. Not sure where you'd go now. It's possible that you could find them to download from peer to peer (I'm no longer familiar with that world). Let me see what I can come up with.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 07:28 am
Quite a bit on ebay...or this one...
http://www.recordsbymail.com/static/artistSearch.php/artistFirst/WOODY/artistLast/ALLEN
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 11:44 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
He said he could put up with a lot, but not with the VP shooting people in the face.


Huh?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 11:48 am
Hey, that's what he told me. I suspect his decision has far more to do with other factors, and this was just a conveinent occurance for him to speak his mind.

Cycloptichorn
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Questioner
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 12:02 pm
Wonder if he was after the poor bastard's heart. Perhaps his was acting up and he decided it was time for a replacement. I hear the secret service men had to wrestle the gun away from him as he was leveling it at the lawyer's head for a second round.

Fortunately, the medical team that follows Cheney around everywhere he goes was there to provide prompt medical attention for the victim.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 12:43 pm
As Ron Reagan noted last night, the first thing that law enforcement would ask in investigating such a hunting accident would be "Was drinking involved?"

No reason to assume it was so, but it's possible of course. That the SS didn't allow the police to see Cheney until the next day doesn't help allay this particular concern.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 12:46 pm
Hunter Shot by Cheney Has Heart Attack
9 minutes ago AP

CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas - The 78-year-old lawyer who was shot by Vice President Dick Cheney in a hunting accident has some birdshot lodged in his heart and he had a "minor heart attack," a hospital official said Tuesday.

Peter Banko, the hospital administrator at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial, said Harry Whittington had the heart attack early Tuesday while being evaluated.

He said there was an irregularity in the heartbeat caused by a birdshot pellet, and doctors performed a cardiac catheterization. Whittington expressed a desire to leave the hospital, but Banko said he would probably stay for another week.

Whittington, a prominent Republican attorney from Austin, was accidentally sprayed with shotgun pellets when Cheney was aiming for a quail Saturday.

Whittington had initially been placed in intensive care. He had been moved to a "step-down unit" Monday after doctors decided to leave several birdshot pellets lodged in his skin rather than try to remove them.

A Texas Parks and Wildlife Department report said Whittington was retrieving a downed bird and stepped out of the hunting line he was sharing with Cheney. "Another covey was flushed and Cheney swung on a bird and fired, striking Whittington in the face, neck and chest at approximately 30 yards," the report said.

The wildlife department issued a report Monday that found the main factor contributing to the accident was a "hunter's judgment factor." No other secondary factors were found to have played a role.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 02:18 pm
Quote:
Wonder if he was after the poor bastard's heart.


Dude, precognition in action!

I hope the guy pulls through - for his sake, and for Cheney's.

Cycloptichorn
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 04:06 pm
blatham wrote:
thomas

There were still vinyl records around a decade or so ago (and earlier, of course) if one searched them out in used record stores. Not sure where you'd go now. It's possible that you could find them to download from peer to peer (I'm no longer familiar with that world). Let me see what I can come up with.

Thanks. Smile
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 07:37 pm
Update: Dan Abrams is on MSNBC giving Cheney a pass, saying that "The Vice President didn't do anything wrong" and finding nothing irregular about the fact that he was not interviewed by law enforcement officials for 15 hours after the incident. Is Abrams the amazing Kreskin or something? How would he, or anyone, know that "the Vice President didn't do anything wrong" -- especially since Armstrong is now backtracking on her story:
"There may be a beer or two in there," she said, 'but remember not everyone in the party was shooting.'"
These are the questions you should be asking, Dan.

Update II: The beer quote seems to now be scrubbed from the MSNBC site, though you can still see it cached in the Google abstract.

Update III: Remember this isn't the first scrubbing we've found in this matter. To their credit CBS PublicEye addressed it here, though the reporter's explanation is something less than satisfactory. http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_02_12_firedoglake_archive.html#113995697605718161
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