Satanism

snood wrote:

'Sgot little to do with what "I like", buddy. Don't blame me for your tortured semantics.

Right, well I suppose if you don't have anything worthwhile to add you may as well critique semantics.

It would seem to me that Satan is to be worshipped. Perhaps I am misunderstanding?

Doktor S, I went back and looked at that thread Questioner pointed me to and I'm sorry but I could not find the answer to my question. So, I decided to do a bit of research on my own. I have to tell you, I am quite confused.

Am I to take it that your imaginary friend is superior to what you call my imaginary friend? And if that is what you mean, why is yours superior to what you call my imaginary friend?

Satan is not a real, living entity, conscious or a physical thing that can be interacted with.

I am sure there are many perceptions of Satanism out there and none of them IMO are too favorable. So, perhaps you can understand why it is so hard for some to accept what you are professing?

I still wish Dok would tell me the difference between Satan and the devils. Couldn't find much on that.

Ok, as this is the correct thread for questions of this nature, I will adress them, MA.
Not so much for your benifit, as I doubt you'll gain any understanding from this, but others may...

Not quite sure how to take that statement but I appreciate you addressing this.
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It would seem to me that Satan is to be worshipped. Perhaps I am misunderstanding?

Only in the sense that the Satan, the adversary, is synonomous with self to the Satanist.

I have no idea at all what that is supposed to mean. Can you elaborate?

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Doktor S, I went back and looked at that thread Questioner pointed me to and I'm sorry but I could not find the answer to my question. So, I decided to do a bit of research on my own. I have to tell you, I am quite confused.

Having read that article from Mr. Crabtrees website, I am unsure what is confusing you.

What is confusing me is that the site says one thing and you have said others. So, I still don't know what exactly your brand of Satanism is.

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Am I to take it that your imaginary friend is superior to what you call my imaginary friend? And if that is what you mean, why is yours superior to what you call my imaginary friend?

Huh? How you concluded that from this.

Well, you obviously chose this religion over any other so I figured you think it's superior. You mean it's not?

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Satan is not a real, living entity, conscious or a physical thing that can be interacted with.

Is truely perplexing. The whole point is that there aren't any imaginary friends.

So just what is it at the center of your religion then?

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I am sure there are many perceptions of Satanism out there and none of them IMO are too favorable. So, perhaps you can understand why it is so hard for some to accept what you are professing?

Satanism was never intended to be palletable to the herd at large.
It tailors to a certain breed.

Of that I have no doubt. It seems that stupidity is the ultimate sin to Satanists? Who decides who is stupid and who isn't?

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I still wish Dok would tell me the difference between Satan and the devils. Couldn't find much on that.

Devil worshippers are reverse christians. Satanists are something wholey different.

Then perhaps you could explain exactly what a Satanist is? I've read a bunch on those websites but I'd like to hear it in your own words.

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snood wrote:

'Sgot little to do with what "I like", buddy. Don't blame me for your tortured semantics.

Right, well I suppose if you don't have anything worthwhile to add you may as well critique semantics.

Well, in my humble opinion buddy, your babblings about satanic worship equals nothing.

Only in the sense that the Satan, the adversary, is synonomous with self to the Satanist.

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I have no idea at all what that is supposed to mean. Can you elaborate?

Having read that article from Mr. Crabtrees website, I am unsure what is confusing you.

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What is confusing me is that the site says one thing and you have said others. So, I still don't know what exactly your brand of Satanism is.

Of course Satanism has denominations and widely varying beliefs. Many types of Satanism exist including some where Satan is seen as a living being. I think if there was a god, it would probably be an evil one. In these, thankfully, the basis of the belief is not the Christian Bible and I call these beliefs "Righteous Satan" theologies. All the elements of Satan I have just mentioned are discussed in more depth below and on the essays linked from this page."

Well, you obviously chose this religion over any other so I figured you think it's superior. You mean it's not?

So just what is it at the center of your religion then?

Of that I have no doubt. It seems that stupidity is the ultimate sin to Satanists? Who decides who is stupid and who isn't?

Then perhaps you could explain exactly what a Satanist is? I've read a bunch on those websites but I'd like to hear it in your own words.

I am really trying to understand you. I ask questions of you because I figure you would know the answers about this. I have read these threads a few times and no, I still don't really know what a Satanist is. You seem to dance around the issues and never really pin down an answer. So, I guess I will just have to read that bible of yours and see if I can get any answers

I do understand that you think you are a god. I got that part a long time ago. The part I don't get is why do you think that? I don't imagine you have any supernatural powers or anything so I am having a hard time understanding how anyone would think themself a god.

I am not quite as stupid as you seem to think I am. I am very capable of understanding things. I liked you a lot more when you first came on A2K and didn't want to offend anyone. You were quite the gentleman, I thought. So, perhaps you can understand why I might think being a Satanist isn't such a good thing? It seems that if you are a Satanist and are a god you can pretty much say and do what you want without considering anyone else's feelings?

As far as my logic flows, well, if you chose Satanism over anything else then you must feel it is superior to the others, right? If it wasn't you would choose something else? Does that flow a bit better?

The Nine Satanic Statements

from The Satanic Bible, ©1969

by Anton Szandor LaVey

[français]

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/NineStatements.html

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

So, this means do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it?

I like this much better:

Matthew 5:3-....

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth..........

Doktor S, where would these find comfort within Satanism or would they just be left out all together?


2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

Well, this confuses me because if you are telling me it's not literal Satan then isn't Satan in this instance a pipe dream?

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

Undefiled wisdom? Defined by whom? Yourself? How do you know that you are not the one that is being deceived?

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

Oh the old do good to only those that do good to you idea? Love is never wasted Doktor S. Never!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

Right, this just means to me that it's ok to go out there and do whatever you want to do to anyone you want to do it to. So, I guess you would say it was ok that the Muslims reacted with violence to those cartoons they felt offended their religion?

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

Responsiblity to the responsible? What the heck does that mean? And who decides who is responsible? I haven't a clue as to what this really means. Can you elaborate for me, please? Psychic vampires? And who might they be? Christianity warns against psychics.

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development," has become the most vicious animal of all!

Well, I have to admit, that's probably a pretty honest statement there, only if you take out the "divine spiritual and intellectual development bit" especially if you would follow these other Satanic statements. If man were divine spiritually then I would venture to say he wouldn't be viscious.

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

Right, do it because it feels good. Doesn't matter if it's right or not or if you hurt anyone by it just as long as you get personal gratification from it?

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

Actually, the church I attend preaches against satan, not for him. Jesus Christ is what keeps my church in business.

Doktor S, where would these find comfort within Satanism or would they just be left out all together?

Well, this confuses me because if you are telling me it's not literal Satan then isn't Satan in this instance a pipe dream?

Undefiled wisdom? Defined by whom? Yourself? How do you know that you are not the one that is being deceived?

Oh the old do good to only those that do good to you idea? Love is never wasted Doktor S. Never!

Right, this just means to me that it's ok to go out there and do whatever you want to do to anyone you want to do it to. So, I guess you would say it was ok that the Muslims reacted with violence to those cartoons they felt offended their religion?
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Responsiblity to the responsible? What the heck does that mean? And who decides who is responsible? I haven't a clue as to what this really means. Can you elaborate for me, please? Psychic vampires? And who might they be? Christianity warns against psychics.

Well, I have to admit, that's probably a pretty honest statement there, only if you take out the "divine spiritual and intellectual development bit" especially if you would follow these other Satanic statements. If man were divine spiritually then I would venture to say he wouldn't be viscious.

Right, do it because it feels good. Doesn't matter if it's right or not or if you hurt anyone by it just as long as you get personal gratification from it?

Actually, the church I attend preaches against satan, not for him. Jesus Christ is what keeps my church in business.