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Passage ...... Where do you go after you die

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 05:43 am
sob
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 05:52 am
To me there is an afterlife and I say this with a certainty that I can prove to any doubter. Those that doubt can not be convinced by logic, they can only be convinced by actually experiencing the fact so, if there are any that choose to dispute my certainty please cooperate by dropping dead. Since the validity of your certainy, is only meaningful to you, the doubter, (Christ did not appear to convince everyone) it is a journey that you will have to take alone, for your own satisfaction so, whenever you are ready, bon voyage.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 05:56 am
edgarblythe wrote:
sob

Edgar, I wouldn't go so far as to call him that, smartass would do Smile
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 05:59 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
To me there is an afterlife and I say this with a certainty that I can prove to any doubter.


Nah -- you are just mouthing off. You can't do that at all.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 06:02 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Oh, gosh, edgar. I have real bad news for you! We're all gonna die.

CI, I just noticed in your signature you separate mind and spirit, why is that?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 06:05 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
To me there is an afterlife and I say this with a certainty that I can prove to any doubter.


Nah -- you are just mouthing off. You can't do that at all.


Sure I can, begin whenever you like, Very Happy
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 06:17 am
sob is a sound I make when I weep, Doug.

The only way as has been pointed out to prove one's position regarding life after death is to experience it. So far the dead have yet to communicate the disposition of the question.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 06:36 am
edgarblythe wrote:
sob is a sound I make when I weep, Doug.

The only way as has been pointed out to prove one's position regarding life after death is to experience it. So far the dead have yet to communicate the disposition of the question.


Not me man, I go WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The gate nly opens one way Edgar, once through what would be the question, and if you or I are wrong so what?Your life would still be yours and mine would still be mine. Hold true to your faith.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 06:39 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
To me there is an afterlife and I say this with a certainty that I can prove to any doubter.


Nah -- you are just mouthing off. You can't do that at all.


Sure I can, begin whenever you like, Very Happy


Okay. I'm a doubter. Prove to me what you will -- or can.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 06:46 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
To me there is an afterlife and I say this with a certainty that I can prove to any doubter.


Nah -- you are just mouthing off. You can't do that at all.


Sure I can, begin whenever you like, Very Happy


Okay. I'm a doubter. Prove to me what you will -- or can.


Can' you read? If you want I can re-do my post in big red letters.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 07:11 am
While this site may not be to the point on this thread it still is very interesting.


Site
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 07:20 am
An excellent day for surfing............

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Terry
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 08:24 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
To me there is an afterlife and I say this with a certainty that I can prove to any doubter. Those that doubt can not be convinced by logic, they can only be convinced by actually experiencing the fact so, if there are any that choose to dispute my certainty please cooperate by dropping dead.

lol No thanks. If you are wrong and I am right, I will have given up all of the wonderful things I have yet to experience in this life.


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Terry: What makes you think that "souls" exist indepently of bodies?
Doug: Why wouldn't they? Do you consider mind and brain to be the same?

No, mind is created by biochemical processes in the physical brain.

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The 'pea pod. analogy pertains to:
"Do they really think that a mind ravished by disease/dementia will be magically restored to full functioning when the body dies?"
You left it off when you quoted me. Does the soul leave the body when the physical or shell dies?

No, the mind/soul cannot exist independently of the physical brain that creates it. Neuroscience is pretty convincing on this point. We know that people with damage to the brain (from disease, stroke, or injury) lose certain functions depending on which part is damaged. Speech, personality, volition (free will), memory, or other functions may be gone. If someone can never learn anything new, where is their allegedly immortal soul? In cold storage until they die?

How do you think that memories are stored and recalled if there are no physical circuits? By magic?

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I will grant you that memories are not duplicated, but the brain is developed according to the gene's instructions.

Yes, but the instructions are general. It is not just memories that depend on nurture, but the brain itself. The exact way that the brain develops depends on environment and experiences which cannot be duplicated in your clone. For instance, a child who takes music lessons will have more neural circuits devoted to the hearing functions of the brain. Exposure to lead can cause permanently damage. There may be unsuspected toxins in its food, air, and water which affect brain development.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 08:29 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
To me there is an afterlife and I say this with a certainty that I can prove to any doubter.


Nah -- you are just mouthing off. You can't do that at all.


Sure I can, begin whenever you like, Very Happy


Okay. I'm a doubter. Prove to me what you will -- or can.


Can' you read? If you want I can re-do my post in big red letters.


Well, suppose you do that!
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Terry
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 08:32 am
rosborne979 wrote:
Obviously some people can accept that they may cease to exist, but the human mind probably can not imagine what that state of being is really like. I know I have trouble doing it. A total lack of thought and identity is a state which we never experience, and I'm wondering if that simple fact colors much of the philosophy and culture in which we find ourselves.

When I try to imagine what it is like to not exist I often find myself pinching myself and noticing that I'm still alive. It seems that the only way to know what non-existence is like, is to indulge in existence.


There are at least three ways in which we can experience a total lack of thought and identity: Deep non-REM sleep, anesthesia, and meditation. Perhaps it would not be correct to say that we "experience" anything if there is no awareness at the time, but death is often likened to dreamless sleep.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 08:52 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
To me there is an afterlife and I say this with a certainty that I can prove to any doubter.


Nah -- you are just mouthing off. You can't do that at all.


Sure I can, begin whenever you like, Very Happy


Okay. I'm a doubter. Prove to me what you will -- or can.


Can' you read? If you want I can re-do my post in big red letters.


Well, suppose you do that!


Naw, I think I'll let you misinterpret it as it is.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 08:58 am
Terry wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
Obviously some people can accept that they may cease to exist, but the human mind probably can not imagine what that state of being is really like. I know I have trouble doing it. A total lack of thought and identity is a state which we never experience, and I'm wondering if that simple fact colors much of the philosophy and culture in which we find ourselves.

When I try to imagine what it is like to not exist I often find myself pinching myself and noticing that I'm still alive. It seems that the only way to know what non-existence is like, is to indulge in existence.


There are at least three ways in which we can experience a total lack of thought and identity: Deep non-REM sleep, anesthesia, and meditation. Perhaps it would not be correct to say that we "experience" anything if there is no awareness at the time, but death is often likened to dreamless sleep.


Hi Terry, wouldn't birth qualify as thoughtless and without identity?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 09:02 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
To me there is an afterlife and I say this with a certainty that I can prove to any doubter.


Nah -- you are just mouthing off. You can't do that at all.


Sure I can, begin whenever you like, Very Happy


Okay. I'm a doubter. Prove to me what you will -- or can.


Can' you read? If you want I can re-do my post in big red letters.


Well, suppose you do that!


Naw, I think I'll let you misinterpret it as it is.


Yeah, I was right. You were just shooting off your mouth. You can't do it.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 09:15 am
Sure I can, and will .... it's up to you. Begin when you like.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2004 09:58 am
Okay, let me start by telling you one of the funniest knock-knock jokes ever.

Go ahead!

Start it.
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