My Poll Selection, "Projectile Vomiting" is also not there!
Anon
Glad someone got that.....
This SOTU was about as interesting as artificial insemination.
Joe
About that smirking chimp stuff...............................
Actually, as we all saw, smirking not so much these days... I watched some more of the speech this morning at the gym, George seems to have been smacked with some sense of reality -don't get excited, it may pass- he loved doing the opening minutes where he could drone on about the great adventure in Iraq and get his Republican Rubber Stamp Choir on their feet. ( A rough spot, and it shouldn't have been, was that defense of the no-warrant wiretaps, it fell flat even as the loyal royals rose and pounded their palms. Did you notice the Supremes weren't doing the wave?)
So what or who did we get last night? The new George Bush? The one who wants his tax cuts made permanent but also proposes plans to spend millions and millions (it will be at least that) to train 30,000 advanced placement teachers and billions to research synthetic fuels. ( I guess Dick has decided that Haliburton is going to run out of crude sooner than we have been led to believe and that now the money is in fakefuels. Invest Now.)
He didn't look like he was enjoying himself, (They made him say all that stuff about ethics.) and near the end seemed tired even as the speech raised itself:
'...every great movement of history comes to a point of choosing.'
That's right, George.
Joe(take a nap now)Nation
Joe Nation wrote:( A rough spot, and it shouldn't have been, was that defense of the no-warrant wiretaps, it fell flat even as the loyal royals rose and pounded their palms. Did you notice the Supremes weren't doing the wave?)
Would you expect any other sort of reaction from them on that issue, which is likely to come before them soon?
Joe Nation wrote:( A rough spot, and it shouldn't have been, was that defense of the no-warrant wiretaps, it fell flat even as the loyal royals rose and pounded their palms. Did you notice the Supremes weren't doing the wave?)
Considering each of them has sworn an oath to approach each case absent preconceived prejudice, and they may very well be reviewing this one, they did the only thing they could do; abstain.
Good point, O'Bill. :wink:
I am probably one of the few folks who watched and listened to the whole speech. I admit to not being a fan of Mr Bush, his policies or that damn smirk of his. His handlers only permit him to speak to audiiences that have been sceened to be be favorable. I wonder if he is is touch with reality?
His in-your-face pledge to continue unsupervised surveilance drew applause, but I suspect that, as the November elections grow nearer and lawsuits start to file up, even Repubs will try to distance themselves from this issue.
30,000 new teachers? A new energy policy? Mr Bush must submit a budget next week to Congress. It will be intersting to see how he intends to fund any of this.
Doesn't it make real conservatives chew nails when they get the tax cuts they want but this cowboy won't ever cut back on spending? (No vetos yet unless I missed one last week.)
How about it, Tico and Bill, just how deep a deficit do you think George is going to dig in the next 1000 or so days? His 'new' AIDs measure adds an estimated 235 Million per year ad infinitum. Aaren't we supposed to be going to MARS sometime?
When do you think we will have borrowed enough from the Chinese to have them have our nuts in a vise? Week after next? The next new moon? Wednesday after Labor Day?
Joe(not so hopeful)Nation
PS Did anyone hear any commentator refer to the Hopeful Society today? I'm sure the Man from Hope, Arkansas has a trademark infringement case lawsuit at his lawyers right now.
Joe there are plenty of guys right there in your home town paying the big bucks to have an attractive Chinese get their nuts in a vice...
vice vise vixen vise vice
sounds like German
say it twice
g'night
Joe
88% against.
At least hes buying some DEM ideas like biofuels.
Joe Nation wrote: Doesn't it make real conservatives chew nails when they get the tax cuts they want but this cowboy won't ever cut back on spending? (No vetos yet unless I missed one last week.)
Being fiercely independent, I don't feel comfortable answering on behalf of "real conservatives", so I'll just answer for me;
not especially comfortable.
Joe Nation wrote: How about it, Tico and Bill, just how deep a deficit do you think George is going to dig in the next 1000 or so days? His 'new' AIDs measure adds an estimated 235 Million per year ad infinitum. Aaren't we supposed to be going to MARS sometime?
Pretty damn deep. Insofar as a 235 Million dollar AIDs measure is concerned, I'll gladly pay my share. Same goes for liberating oppressed people throughout the world, wherever he may find them and for whatever excuses he offers publicly. I'll continue to consider tax dollars spent keeping the US's war machine the finest ever conceived of money well spent. I seriously doubt we'll be heading to Mars anytime soon.
Joe Nation wrote: When do you think we will have borrowed enough from the Chinese to have them have our nuts in a vise? Week after next? The next new moon? Wednesday after Labor Day?
NeverÂ… or at least not in my foreseeable lifetime. China will likely join us in the MAD club (Mutually Assured Destruction) soon, if they haven't already, but it is unlikely that any technology in the foreseeable future will render our membership impotent. China may or may not lend us money at their discretion, but I don't see any enforceable means of collection should we fall into default. I believe they recognize this presumably obvious precondition, and consider the risk/reward ratio to doing business with us to be in their best interest anyway.
I was among the most boisterous supporters of Ross Perot for the very reasons you're articulating with your questions, but do not believe the sky is falling. We're going to be just fine.
Dear Friends,
As most of you have probably heard, I was arrested before the State of the Union Address tonight.
I am speechless with fury at what happened and with grief over what we have lost in our country.
There have been lies from the police and distortions by the press. (Shocker) So this is what really happened:
This afternoon at the People's State of the Union Address in DC where I was joined by Congresspersons Lynn Woolsey and John Conyers, Ann Wright, Malik Rahim and John Cavanagh. Lynn brought me a ticket to the State of the Union Address. At that time, I was wearing the shirt that said: 2,245 Dead. How many more?
After the PSOTU press conference, I was having second thoughts about going to the SOTU at the Capitol. I didn't feel comfortable going. I knew George Bush would say things that would hurt me and anger me and I knew that I couldn't disrupt the address because Lynn had given me the ticket and I didn't want to be disruptive out of respect for her. I, in fact, had given the ticket to John Bruhns who is in Iraq Veterans Against the War. However, Lynn's office had already called the media and everyone knew I was going to be there so I sucked it up and went.
I got the ticket back from John, and I met one of Congresswoman Barbara Lee's staffers in the Longworth Congressional Office building and we went to the Capitol via the underground tunnel. I went through security once, then had to use the rest room and went through security again.
My ticket was in the 5th gallery, front row, fourth seat in. The person who in a few minutes was to arrest me, helped me to my seat.
I had just sat down and I was warm from climbing 3 flights of stairs back up from the bathroom so I unzipped my jacket. I turned to the right to take my left arm out, when the same officer saw my shirt and yelled, "Protester." He then ran over to me, hauled me out of my seat and roughly (with my hands behind my back) shoved me up the stairs. I said something like, "I'm going, do you have to be so rough?" By the way, his name is Mike Weight.
The officer ran with me to the elevators yelling at everyone to move out of the way. When we got to the elevators, he cuffed me and took me outside to await a squad car. On the way out, someone behind me said, "That's Cindy Sheehan." At which point the officer who arrested me said, "Take these steps slowly." I said, "You didn't care about being careful when you were dragging me up the other steps." He said, "That's because you were protesting." Wow, I get hauled out of the People's House because I was, "Protesting."
I was never told that I couldn't wear that shirt into the Congress. I was never asked to take it off or zip my jacket back up. If I had been asked to do any of those things...I would have, and written about the suppression of my freedom of speech later. I was immediately, and roughly (I have the bruises and muscle spasms to prove it) hauled off and arrested for "unlawful conduct."
After I had my personal items inventoried and my fingers printed, a nice Sgt. came in and looked at my shirt and said, "2,245, huh? I just got back from there."
I told him that my son died there. That's when the enormity of my loss hit me. I have lost my son. I have lost my First Amendment rights. I have lost the country that I love. Where did America go? I started crying in pain.
What did Casey die for? What did the 2,244 other brave young Americans die for? What are tens of thousands of them over there in harm's way for still? For this? I can't even wear a shirt that has the number of troops on it that George Bush and his arrogant and ignorant policies are responsible for killing.
I wore the shirt to make a statement. The press knew I was going to be there and I thought every once in awhile they would show me and I would have the shirt on. I did not wear it to be disruptive, or I would have unzipped my jacket during George's speech. If I had any idea what happens to people who wear shirts that make the neocons uncomfortable...that I would be arrested...maybe I would have, but I didn't.
There have already been many wild stories out there.
I have some lawyers looking into filing a First Amendment lawsuit against the government for what happened tonight. I will file it. It is time to take our freedoms and our country back.
I don't want to live in a country that prohibits any person, whether he/she has paid the ultimate price for that country, from wearing, saying, writing, or telephoning any negative statements about the government. That's why I am going to take my freedoms and liberties back. That's why I am not going to let Bushco take anything else away from me...or you.
I am so appreciative of the couple of hundred protesters who came to the jail while I was locked up to show their support....we have so much potential for good...there is so much good in so many people.
Four hours and 2 jails after I was arrested, I was let out. Again, I am so upset and sore it is hard to think straight.
Keep up the struggle...I promise you I will too.
Love and peace soon,
Cindy
Empathy worthy protester gets arrested for illegally protesting. So? Perhaps next time she'll choose a more appropriate setting.
O'Bill writes:
Quote:Same goes for liberating oppressed people throughout the world, wherever he may find them and for whatever excuses he offers publicly. I'll continue to consider tax dollars spent keeping the US's war machine the finest ever conceived of money well spent.
American economy to be strong in order to keep their money and make more, they need the world economy to be strong. They get the best of both worlds from George, permanent tax cuts and a world in which to employ, at rockbottom wages, millions, and millions more to sell to. All without needing to create a single job in Michigan, Ohio or Kansas.
Face the facts. This country has been sold a bill of goods by this bunch of "We're for values and strong morals" gangsters. Neo-con contains the right second syllable. Yeah, liberating oppressed people is something I'd buy too, but every once in awhile you ought to look in the bag to see what you actually bought.
Joe(Hey, what the ..?)Nation
OCCOM BILL wrote:Joe Nation wrote: How about it, Tico and Bill, just how deep a deficit do you think George is going to dig in the next 1000 or so days? [..]
Pretty damn deep. Insofar as a 235 Million dollar AIDs measure is concerned, I'll gladly pay my share. Same goes for liberating oppressed people throughout the world, wherever he may find them and for whatever excuses he offers publicly. I'll continue to consider tax dollars spent keeping the US's war machine the finest ever conceived of money well spent.
OK, so you're worried about the deficit that's going to be pretty damn deep, yet consider the government spending dollars that are now proposed or already being spent good value for money. Does that mean you're in favour of raising taxes? How else would you raise the money for that spending, if you dont want an even deeper deficit?