Raul-7 wrote:Momma Angel wrote:Yes, Jesus is the Son of God.
Stop with your ignorance and accept the truth.
And when Allah will say, 'O Issa son of Maryam! Did you tell to people, 'make me and my mother two gods besides Allah'? He will submit 'bellowed be You, it is not justified for me that I should tell the thing to which I have no reach. 'If I had said that You would surely have known it You know what is in my heart and I do not know what is in Your knowledge. Undoubtedly, it is You only, Knower of, all hidden things. (5:116)
I said not to them but that which You had commanded me that worship Allah my Lord and your Lord, and I knew of them as long as I remained in them, then when You took me up, then You were the Watcher over them, and every thing is, present before You. (5:117)
If You punish them, they are Your bondmen, and if You forgive them, then undoubtedly, You are only the Dominant, the Wise. (5:118)
Raul
If you were not so insulting people might be more inclined to explain to you why they "believe" the way they do...
Jesus is the son of God because, God created a sperm in the womb of Mary... Or are you saying Mary created the sperm herself? Or are you saying God cannot create or Jesus was not conceived of a virgin?
Like a hen and an egg... if the rooster does not fertilize the egg it will NEVER grow into a living creature. Have you ever opened your refrigerator and found the eggs hatching? Life is passed on through generations from male to male. So it was the life part in Jesus that did not come from Adam but God... Jesus Christ was the second Adam. Jesus took the part of the body/flesh from the woman (egg) and the life/blood that made the egg come alive came from God. This life is in the blood of every human being but it can ONLY be passed on from the male of our species.
Flesh and blood... The flesh/egg came from the woman and the blood/life came from God. If Mary was a virgin when she conceived then this life part had to have come from God...
We are ALL partakers of flesh and blood (from Adam and Eve) but Jesus only took a part... which part did he take? The flesh part. It was the sin in the blood (that was atoned for by the blood of lambs) that he did not receive from Adam. This was why he was free from the original sin.
FROM THE BIBLE
Heb 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Comment:
Jesus was not a partaker of flesh and blood but only took part. What part did he take? The flesh part from the woman (egg) and the blood part from God (life).
Maybe if you didn't talk about flushing the HOLY Bible down the toilet and actually took some time to read it with an open mind you might understand why people BELIEVE Christ Jesus was the son of God (not God). Rather than just listening blindly to what you are told by people who obviously don't know what they are talking about, try to have an original thought of your own... It is ok to think for yourself you know... that is why God gave you a brain...
1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Le 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Ro 6:23
For the wages of sin [the original sin in the blood passed on from Adam] is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
THINK BEYOND WHAT YOU DO, YOU GOT UR HEAD WRAPPED UP IN YOUR OWN BIBLE, READ OTHER BOOKS, IM NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE QURAN, READ BOOKS BY SCIENCE THAT PROVE ALL OF YOUR BIBLE WRONG.
ali87 wrote:THINK BEYOND WHAT YOU DO, YOU GOT UR HEAD WRAPPED UP IN YOUR OWN BIBLE, READ OTHER BOOKS, IM NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE QURAN, READ BOOKS BY SCIENCE THAT PROVE ALL OF YOUR BIBLE WRONG.
Yea other people who have handled and understood the Quran wrong have said this and that.... They think they are so scientific but they are only guessing to fit their hate. They look at things literally when the are figurative and vise versa.. and you want me to read what? I think I will stick to the original texts of both books and you can read their mistakes in these other books if you want... You can read their division and hate your brother if you want....... I choose to see the unity and love my brother instead.
Peace with God...
SO YOURE SAYING I SHOULDNT TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY?
SO THEN IF ITS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY THEN WHY IS IT THAT ALMOST ALL CHRISTIANS TODAY BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD'S SON, JUST BECAUSE HE LOOKED UP TO GOD AS A FATHER!!!
SO RU SAYING I SHOULDNT TAKE IT LITERALLY?
IF YOU SAY NO, THEN YOU CLEARLY HAVE A "SELECTIVE MORALITY"
BECAUSE YOU PICK THINGS THAT YOU LIKE AND YOU IGNORE ALL THE FLAWS IN THE BIBLE!!
RexRed wrote:ali87 wrote:THINK BEYOND WHAT YOU DO, YOU GOT UR HEAD WRAPPED UP IN YOUR OWN BIBLE, READ OTHER BOOKS, IM NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE QURAN, READ BOOKS BY SCIENCE THAT PROVE ALL OF YOUR BIBLE WRONG.
Yea other people who have handled and understood the Quran wrong have said this and that.... They think they are so scientific but they are only guessing to fit their hate. They look at things literally when the are figurative and vise versa.. and you want me to read what? I think I will stick to the original texts of both books and you can read their mistakes in these other books if you want... You can read their division and hate your brother if you want....... I choose to see the unity and love my brother instead.
Peace with God...
SO YOURE SAYING I SHOULDNT TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY?
SO THEN IF ITS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY THEN WHY IS IT THAT ALMOST ALL CHRISTIANS TODAY BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD'S SON, JUST BECAUSE HE LOOKED UP TO GOD AS A FATHER!!!
SO RU SAYING I SHOULDNT TAKE IT LITERALLY?
IF YOU SAY NO, THEN YOU CLEARLY HAVE A "SELECTIVE MORALITY"
BECAUSE YOU PICK THINGS THAT YOU LIKE AND YOU IGNORE ALL THE FLAWS IN THE BIBLE!!
ali87 wrote:you use juvenile thought and language. infantile actually. Go back to the mosque and pray God will supply the instruction manual for the brain he gave you.
SO YOURE SAYING I SHOULDNT TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY?
SO THEN IF ITS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY THEN WHY IS IT THAT ALMOST ALL CHRISTIANS TODAY BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD'S SON, JUST BECAUSE HE LOOKED UP TO GOD AS A FATHER!!!
SO RU SAYING I SHOULDNT TAKE IT LITERALLY?
IF YOU SAY NO, THEN YOU CLEARLY HAVE A "SELECTIVE MORALITY"
BECAUSE YOU PICK THINGS THAT YOU LIKE AND YOU IGNORE ALL THE FLAWS IN THE BIBLE!!
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:ali87 wrote:you use juvenile thought and language. infantile actually. Go back to the mosque and pray God will supply the instruction manual for the brain he gave you.
SO YOURE SAYING I SHOULDNT TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY?
SO THEN IF ITS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY THEN WHY IS IT THAT ALMOST ALL CHRISTIANS TODAY BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD'S SON, JUST BECAUSE HE LOOKED UP TO GOD AS A FATHER!!!
SO RU SAYING I SHOULDNT TAKE IT LITERALLY?
IF YOU SAY NO, THEN YOU CLEARLY HAVE A "SELECTIVE MORALITY"
BECAUSE YOU PICK THINGS THAT YOU LIKE AND YOU IGNORE ALL THE FLAWS IN THE BIBLE!!
Common chill out and let's all reason with unity and tolerance in mind...
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Well, if Jesus is god why he doesnt know when will doomsday be? He said in (Mathew 24:36):
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the father."
I think that god should know everything in the world, the past, the present and the future, right?
In this statement he assured that even the Holy Spirit doesnt know about the day!
So both Jesus and the HS arent complete, so how they should be considered as gods?!
In (Mathew 12:18): "Here is my servant whom I have chosen,..."
Is it reasonable that god call another god "my servant"?! Choosing this particular word indicates that God doesnt consider Jesus as an equal god or even a son, but rather a human servant.
Besides, even if J. was called son of god in the Gospels, this doesnt make him necessarily a god because Jacob or Israel was called son of god too in the Bible. Plz read (Exodus 4:22): "Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn."
King David was called son of god too in the Bible: (psalm 2:7)
Solomon too: (II Sam. 7:13-14)
Even Ephraim: (Jermiah 31:9)
Common People: (Deut. 14:1); (Romans 8:29); (Mathew 5:45-48); and (II Connthians 6:18)
So to be called son of god in the Bible this doesnt prove that J. is a god.
So, Ali, you have never explained why we should take the child-rapist Mohammed seriously . . .
RexRed wrote:Steve (as 41oo) wrote:ali87 wrote:you use juvenile thought and language. infantile actually. Go back to the mosque and pray God will supply the instruction manual for the brain he gave you.
SO YOURE SAYING I SHOULDNT TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY?
SO THEN IF ITS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY THEN WHY IS IT THAT ALMOST ALL CHRISTIANS TODAY BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD'S SON, JUST BECAUSE HE LOOKED UP TO GOD AS A FATHER!!!
SO RU SAYING I SHOULDNT TAKE IT LITERALLY?
IF YOU SAY NO, THEN YOU CLEARLY HAVE A "SELECTIVE MORALITY"
BECAUSE YOU PICK THINGS THAT YOU LIKE AND YOU IGNORE ALL THE FLAWS IN THE BIBLE!!
Common chill out and let's all reason with unity and tolerance in mind...
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
you still didnt explain why i should take "the son of god" literally
Setanta wrote:So, Ali, you have never explained why we should take the child-rapist Mohammed seriously . . .
I all due respect Set,
"King" David was not very moral either... you might look to the bastards in your own back yard first before you point a finger...
RexRed wrote:Setanta wrote:So, Ali, you have never explained why we should take the child-rapist Mohammed seriously . . .
I all due respect Set,
"King" David was not very moral either... you might look to the bastards in your own back yard first before you point a finger...
King David wasn't the purported founder and prophet extraordinaire of any religion either Rex.
Questioner wrote:RexRed wrote:Setanta wrote:So, Ali, you have never explained why we should take the child-rapist Mohammed seriously . . .
I all due respect Set,
"King" David was not very moral either... you might look to the bastards in your own back yard first before you point a finger...
King David wasn't the purported founder and prophet extraordinaire of any religion either Rex.
What about the X-Rated Pornography in the Bible?
When we read the Bible, we learn about some weird pornographic teachings that are certainly not appropriate for anyone with morals to read. Please visit X-Rated Pornography in the Bible to see the many pornographic verses in the Bible. You will read for instance, about Solomon's wife's vagina tastes like wine for him!
You will also see examples of Prophets sleeping with their neighbor's wives, such as the following:
David watches a women bathe, likes what he sees, and "goes in unto her." Let us look at 2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home." This Holy Figure in the Bible is a pervert!.
So what happened to "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:10)"????
How come Leviticus 20:10 was compromised in the Bible and was never applied to King David?! Didn't King David know about this law? Yet, the Jews use his star as their holy symbol; the David Star, and the Christians call Jesus his son; "Son of David".
It seems to me quite clearly that the Bible is nothing but a compromised corrupted Book as Jeremiah 8:8, 2 Samuel 11:2-4 and Leviticus 20:10 suggest.
If the strong eats the weak in the Bible, then what moral and wisdom are we to learn from this book?
ali87 wrote:Questioner wrote:RexRed wrote:Setanta wrote:So, Ali, you have never explained why we should take the child-rapist Mohammed seriously . . .
I all due respect Set,
"King" David was not very moral either... you might look to the bastards in your own back yard first before you point a finger...
King David wasn't the purported founder and prophet extraordinaire of any religion either Rex.
What about the X-Rated Pornography in the Bible?
When we read the Bible, we learn about some weird pornographic teachings that are certainly not appropriate for anyone with morals to read. Please visit X-Rated Pornography in the Bible to see the many pornographic verses in the Bible. You will read for instance, about Solomon's wife's vagina tastes like wine for him!
You will also see examples of Prophets sleeping with their neighbor's wives, such as the following:
David watches a women bathe, likes what he sees, and "goes in unto her." Let us look at 2 Samuel 11:2-4 "One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, 'Isn't this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?' Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home." This Holy Figure in the Bible is a pervert!.
So what happened to "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 20:10)"????
How come Leviticus 20:10 was compromised in the Bible and was never applied to King David?! Didn't King David know about this law? Yet, the Jews use his star as their holy symbol; the David Star, and the Christians call Jesus his son; "Son of David".
It seems to me quite clearly that the Bible is nothing but a compromised corrupted Book as Jeremiah 8:8, 2 Samuel 11:2-4 and Leviticus 20:10 suggest.
If the strong eats the weak in the Bible, then what moral and wisdom are we to learn from this book?
Well, I think the bible is as large a crock of sh*t as the 'noble quaran', so feel free to keep insulting it.