Different realities

That goes back to the question of is reality mutable.

Why wouldn't it be?

Then why couldnt we change our own reality so that grass is blue and the sky is green?

We can.



We are free to believe whatever we want about anything.

But just because we believe it doesn't mean it is right. Especially to one who is not willing to consider other possibilities.

A quote from a movie I just saw, The Exorcism of Emily Rose:



Ha.. I like that so much I think I'll use it in my sig line.

Hepziba read the beggining of the thread.

I did! I was just answering your questions... To me that is.

LOL Chumly... so true!

That's life.

This is not a matter of belief its a matter of are realities noticibaly mutable or are they unoticibally mutable.

As i said its going to be a while before i get married.

Ah so you say... however ones reality is most often based on their core beliefs....

Echi... You need some CPR there? Maybe a little oxygen will revive you! I can help... I'm certified in CPR and First Aid!

Whoa... I had a dream involving CPR, last night. Too weird.

Come on you guys can we get on with the subject?

You have now entered the twilight zone...


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I am! I'm waiting for a reply from you pseudo...

I find it difficult to relate to questions about mutability of reality (if it changes THAT is its nature, ergo no change); can we leave reality? (no, it must be boundless otherwise it is not the all-encompassing "universe" as I conceive it: the totality). Regarding this last point. I once answered the hypothetical question of whether or not a space vehicle could IN PRINCIPLE (not empirical fact) pass out of the universe (assuming it could last physically and have enough fuel). Ignoring matters such as the infinity of space and time, I said no because the space ship IS part of our physical universe. It is not something separate from, but merely located within the universe. Therefore, any attempts to pass beyond the universe's boundaries merely EXTENDS those boundaries (as a part of the universe it takes "universe" with it wherever it goes).

Hold up a second here JL... I'm a little confused...

So then by saying this:



You are infringing upon my reality! (bwaaaa hahaha! Just kidding!)

Seriously though I don't see how this can be true. Just because it's in the nature of some tree's to change colors in the fall that does not negate the fact that one day the leaves are green and then next day some of them are red. The change still happened. It's visible. What causes this change? The change of seasons. So just because we have spring, summer, fall, and winter every year does not mean those changes in season do not exist. We live with the effects of them every day.

Hep, I'm not thinking about physical changes WITHIN reality--the fact of change is the fundamental trait of Reality as I see ( Zen, the pre-Socratic Heraclitus and all that). I'm talking about the metaphysical entity we are calling Reality. THAT (whatever it may be) does not change, only its component parts. The changes regarding its component parts ARE its nature. In other words, we talking about different things.

hmmmm... Ok I got it. I think. However, I disagree because the metaphysical entity we call reality can have a direct effect on the physical reality of who we are, what we do, and so forth.

Hep, let me adjust my position (something I do suspiciously often): I should have said that Reality is "metaphysical" in the sense that it is not a "thing" we see; it is a system of presuppositions we make to stand for ALL the changing events of our experience. It, Reality, does not itself change because it exists only as a (static) intellectual construct. All that we SEE is changing phenomena; we THINK "Reality".