Different realities

pseudokinetics wrote:

So are you saying that once we attain Buddhahood we can experience the ultimate reality? If we can experience the ultimate reality would we altogether dissapear in all of the original realities?

I don't know if it is correct to call ultimate reality an "experience". To me, an experience requires time, and I regard ultimate reality to be eternal (outside of, or beyond, time). So these two "realities" are really quite different from each other.
Would we disappear in all other realities? Well, we would not experience them. So, yeah... I guess we would disappear (or they would disappear).

(Eleven? No you're NOT!)

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I think you are right about Time being unnececery in the ultimate reality.

(i am 11 i just spend more time reading then playing video games)

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Are not.

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i am do you want me to copy my birth certificate onto the comp.

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No. I don't think that's a good idea.
I'm just messin' with you, little one.

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is anyone gonna post any more philosophy?

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What's your latest theory, pseudokinetics?

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echi wrote:

pseudokinetics wrote:
So are you saying that once we attain Buddhahood we can experience the ultimate reality? If we can experience the ultimate reality would we altogether dissapear in all of the original realities?

I don't know if it is correct to call ultimate reality an "experience". To me, an experience requires time, and I regard ultimate reality to be eternal (outside of, or beyond, time). So these two "realities" are really quite different from each other.
Would we disappear in all other realities? Well, we would not experience them. So, yeah... I guess we would disappear (or they would disappear).

(Eleven? No you're NOT!)

If time is not relevant in the ultimate reality then do the people that have lived in the ultimate reality had an infinite experience?

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I think that when people describe having experienced Ultimate Reality, what they really are describing is the experience of leaving and then re-entering ordinary reality. Ultimate Reality, I think, cannot be experienced. It is not something to be witnessed. It may be something to be "known"... or maybe just something to "be".

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interesting philosophy. i will have to ponder that.

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if you are just witnessing the Ultimate reality would that mean you could not actin the reality, and that brings up the question of if you act in the Ultimate reality would it change every Original reality?

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Ultimately (pardon the pun), Ultimate Reality and Ordinary Reality are the same. To see not one infinitismal space between them might be to be "enlightened." The Hindu sages say that Nirvana and Samsara are one, and a contemporary zen master (Shunryu Suzuki) said that zen mind is ordinary mind.
It does seem to my decrepit mind that it is MY version of Ultimate Reality, my small version of the Cosmos, or perhaps better said, one of the infinite number of ways "It" manifests itself (or as someone said "sees itself). Who knows?

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pseudokinetics wrote:

if you are just witnessing the Ultimate reality would that mean you could not actin the reality, and that brings up the question of if you act in the Ultimate reality would it change every Original reality?

I don't think Ultimate Reality can be witnessed; I don't think Ultimate Reality consists of any action.

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twyvel wrote:

I cannot put it any better than that.
The answer will not conform to our concept of thought.

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JLNobody wrote:

Ultimately (pardon the pun), Ultimate Reality and Ordinary Reality are the same. To see not one infinitismal space between them might be to be "enlightened." The Hindu sages say that Nirvana and Samsara are one, and a contemporary zen master (Shunryu Suzuki) said that zen mind is ordinary mind.
It does seem to my decrepit mind that it is MY version of Ultimate Reality, my small version of the Cosmos, or perhaps better said, one of the infinite number of ways "It" manifests itself (or as someone said "sees itself). Who knows?

If Ultimate Reality is the same as Ordinary Reality does Ultimate Reality exist at all? If it does does it manifest differently to everyone, is it either a paradise or a hell?

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It manifests differently for all individuals, but at its own level there are no differences, and it is beyond paradise and hell, as well as all distinctions. In other words, there is only One (a UNIverse), they say, and it manfests as multiplicity. Otherwise, these are mere words, attempting fruitlessly to point beyond themselves.

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Reality, life observed by an organism's senses. We live on a world surrounded by life. My guess would be all life on the planet is related, thus earth is just a single body, a single life...lets call that earth's reality....then we have each and every other organism on the planet. Our day to day lives are our own realities. When you are with someone, you experience the same things through your senses and thus the same reality (that is if they have the same senses as you). So it becomes a shared reality. So realities don't effect each other, but they can overlap.

reality? Whats the fascination with it, i dont get it.

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