LYING FOR JESUS

hephzibah wrote:

Setanta,

I can't argue with you there. Is it just the christians that are lying though?

I've seen many people take the bible out of context as well by taking just one part of it and promoting some wacked out theory based on one scripture... or a bunch of little pieces out of context to try to make a whole. Both christians and non-christians. I think there's a potential for that to happen with just about any theory out there. It's easy enough to do.

Since you need some action... do you have any references to some of the many non-christians doing what I have colored red in your quote?

What a lame goddamned web site . . . i am not allowed to see page five of this thread . . . and i started the goddamned thread. If CdK decided to run off to school, start chaing skirts and let this place go to hell, he ought to have had the decency to have left it to someone competent to manage the place . . .

hephzibah wrote:

Setanta,

I can't argue with you there. Is it just the christians that are lying though?

I've seen many people take the bible out of context as well by taking just one part of it and promoting some wacked out theory based on one scripture... or a bunch of little pieces out of context to try to make a whole. Both christians and non-christians. I think there's a potential for that to happen with just about any theory out there. It's easy enough to do.

Since you need some action... do you have any references to some of the many non-christians doing what I have colored red in your quote?

mesquite wrote:

hephzibah wrote:

Setanta,

I can't argue with you there. Is it just the christians that are lying though?

I've seen many people take the bible out of context as well by taking just one part of it and promoting some wacked out theory based on one scripture... or a bunch of little pieces out of context to try to make a whole. Both christians and non-christians. I think there's a potential for that to happen with just about any theory out there. It's easy enough to do.

Since you need some action... do you have any references to some of the many non-christians doing what I have colored red in your quote?

Where are CI and Frank when you need them?

mesquite wrote:

hephzibah wrote:

Setanta,

I can't argue with you there. Is it just the christians that are lying though?

I've seen many people take the bible out of context as well by taking just one part of it and promoting some wacked out theory based on one scripture... or a bunch of little pieces out of context to try to make a whole. Both christians and non-christians. I think there's a potential for that to happen with just about any theory out there. It's easy enough to do.

Since you need some action... do you have any references to some of the many non-christians doing what I have colored red in your quote?

I finally found something close to what I was looking for, though I realize after re-reading this that "wacked out theory" was a little harsh on my part. Forgive me for this please J_B.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=67245&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=70

Does this satisfy your question Mesquite?

Nope. The link goes to the top of the page which is a post by setanta, yet you apologize to J_B. Either way I see nothing on that page that would remotely satisfy my question.

I think you could have probably pointed to almost any post by Ali87 and it would have qualified, but I doubt that is what you meant by non-christian.

Guys I'm sorry.. I'm a hot head sometimes... I know... Wasn't trying to put anyone on the spot.

So exactally what are you trying to accusing me of here? Why don't you just come out and say it?

but I doubt that is what you meant by non-christian.

hephzibah wrote:

LOL here I am getting ignored again! Whoooooooooo! Just kiddin.

I just think if you say or even imply it you ought to back it up. That's all I'm trying to say here. Back it up. Please. Won't someone back up why they think the christians here are so arrogant? What is it that makes them so arrogant to you? I honestly want to know. I know why I think what I think. And I know what I think will ruffle some feathers. But dang it... I'm willing to say it at least... I'm not trying to start a christian bashing session here. I'm not out to hurt anyone intentionally. I'm just tired of everyone dancing around the issue...

Personally, I don't think "the christians" here, en masse, ARE "so arrogant".


I think SOME of them are...usually, imho, the most ignorant ones, or the most fundamentalist.


Both on A2k, and in real life, I know of many christians who are the very antithesis of arrogant, and for whom I have the deepest respect and admiration.


I have major disagreement with the beliefs and traditions of the three middle eastern religions - judaism, christianity, and islam......but I would no more see all of their followers as arrogant than I would see all Americans or all Australians etc as arrogant.



I see the arrogant ones as arrogant because they have the belief that they are in possession of the truth, the light and the way, and that anyone disagreeing is doing the work of, or is ensnared by, the devil.

Also, some christians here have been very happy to attack other religions...especially islam....for ITS doctrine, and "silly beliefs" about what their holy book says, while using as evidence for why the islamic holy book is wrong, "and silly superstition", their OWN holy book!!! And failing to see a problem in this reasoning.



Again, this is SOME christians.



Actually, I wouldn't mind betting that there are wonderful people here, who are christians, but we do not know it, because they have no desire to trumpet their religiosity, nor try to push their beliefs.




Actually, arrogance per so bothers me little, as long as people are happy to consider that they may be wrong, and discuss in a reasoned way. (Hell, Craven who started this site is arrogant beyond belief, but will always accept that he is wrong when he is demonstrated to be.....and I can be BLOODY arrogant when riled). In saying this, I acknowledge that belief in the reasoned examination of beliefs is, in itself, an ethical belief, and ought to be subject to challenge!

I think people are reacting so strongly to some christians here partly because there has been, or it feels like there has been, a kind of christian assault on the site, by people determined to "spread the word".


Some of them have tantrums and such when they are challenged.



Also, with christian evangelicals crusading against the secular world, against separation of church and state, against science, against birth control and sexual health measures and so on, many people are feeling under attack by christians, and get VERY peed off when some christians are pleading discrimination and persecution, when they seem very ready to persecute others.


It all gets a little emotional in the trenches of ideology!

Thank you dlowan. I appreciate the response. That actually has cleared up some stuff for me. I hope it didn't sound like I was implying all christians here are arrogant... that wasn't what I meant at all. Most of the ones I've met I like. Actually I can't think of one I don't like. I just don't always agree with what people do, and I'll admit being a "christian" is a bit of a touchy subject for me.

I've been hurt a lot by the arrogance of some. No, I've been hurt the most by arrogant christians, and I'm still trying to get over it. I try not to classify people by labels, this is one of my great area's of struggle right now. I don't want to hurt anyone, but I'm tired of all the hoopla... ack... Though honestly speaking I can say that I haven't seen a lot of friendliness towards those who claim to be christians. I understand a little better now where that is coming from. Which is all I really wanted.

Guys I'm sorry.. I'm a hot head sometimes... I know... Wasn't trying to put anyone on the spot.

hephzibah wrote:

Setanta,

I can't argue with you there. Is it just the christians that are lying though?

I've seen many people take the bible out of context as well by taking just one part of it and promoting some wacked out theory based on one scripture... or a bunch of little pieces out of context to try to make a whole. Both christians and non-christians. I think there's a potential for that to happen with just about any theory out there. It's easy enough to do.

Since you need some action... do you have any references to some of the many non-christians doing what I have colored red in your quote?

I finally found something close to what I was looking for, though I realize after re-reading this that "wacked out theory" was a little harsh on my part. Forgive me for this please J_B.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=67245&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=70

Does this satisfy your question Mesquite?

Nope. The link goes to the top of the page which is a post by setanta, yet you apologize to J_B. Either way I see nothing on that page that would remotely satisfy my question.

I think you could have probably pointed to almost any post by Ali87 and it would have qualified, but I doubt that is what you meant by non-christian.

I chose not to use ali because I was looking for something I was actually invovled in. I apologized to JB because that's who I was talking to at the time in the post. So exactally what are you trying to accusing me of here? Why don't you just come out and say it?

I chose ali because you had enough interaction with him to know what I meant.

I am not accusing you of anything other than maybe making brash and unsupported statements. ;-) I was making the assumption that you were using non-christian to mean non-religious.

Which I apologized for...

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Guys I'm sorry.. I'm a hot head sometimes... I know... Wasn't trying to put anyone on the spot.