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Alito as Supreme Court Justice: Are you concerned?

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 08:32 pm
Re: Alito as Supreme Court Justice: Are you concerned?
Cliff Hanger wrote:
I am. Once he is nominated to the Supreme Court say farewell to: Separation of church and state, a woman's right to choose. Any others? Dang, aren't these enough? Oh, his deference to power. Eeesh.


How you reach these conclusions is a mystery.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 08:39 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Roberts and Alito are a good start, but untill we get rid of Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer there's still work to be done.


Amen!

Assuming we can rely on Roberts and Alito (a reaching assumption I admit) we only need to replace one more justice. Souters the turncoat would be my choice.

I can't hope for ill fortune to befall Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer or Kennedy. But if it will, let it be in the next 2 years.

My concern is that Kennedy will now cling to the role of the swing vote, and thereby force his votes away from predictability.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jan, 2006 09:00 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
Alito worries me, mainly for the Unitary Executive crap... but also for civil rights. But let me make a more general statement.

It worries me when a judge is confirmed on a party line vote. It worries me when there is so much strong fear and division about an appointment that is supposed to justly and fairly represent the entire nation without regard to political stripe.

This position demands a naieve belief that the Democratic opposition to Alito is principle, rathter than partisan based.

Your worry is better directed to the process than the nominee.

Ruth Ginsberg was every bit as unpopular among conservatives as Alito is among Liberals, and yet she was confirmed with an overwhelmingly majority.

Republicans with Ginzberg could have taken the same partisan stance as the Democrats have with Alito. Would that have cause you the same concern. Sorry, but I doubt it.

While it is possible that a party line vote represents a principle line vote, it is highly unlikely. Whenever we see party line votes, we are seeing partisan considerations at play.


This is why I feel a filibuster is not only appropriate, but required.

The filibuster is the best way to have justices that are at least acceptable to the moderates on both sides of the contentious issues for which he will act as arbiter.

And so since a filibuster did not transpire we must assume
that moderates on both sides of the political spectrum don't have a problem with Alito. What will be interesting is whether you and other prototypical Liberals accept this resolution, or whether you will insist that some sort of sinister Republican process took place.


A system where the minority party has the ability to block a judge described by Sen. Frist as a "nightmare" for a segment of our society is a good thing. I would feel the same way if a liberal president selected a judge that was feared by a segment of the right.

But alas, what worries me most is that there is no opposition party in the United States.

No, what worries you is that there is not an opposition party that can exert its will on American policy. Your party lost. A reasonable opposition to the side that won would not expect that its influence will extend beyond challanges to the status quo. A filibuster of Alito is an attempt to hijack a democratic election.

When we were trying to stop the Iraq war... the Democrats largely rolled over after making a little meaningless noise. The Democrats look like they will do much of the same with Alito.

It scares me that the Democrats are little more than the moderate wing of the Republican party.

And it probably scares extreme Right-Wingers that the Republicans are little more than the moderate wing of the Democratic Party.

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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 12:34 pm
Its all moot now.
Alito WAS confirmed.
That is the best thing that can happen to the USSC right now,IMNTBHO.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 01:33 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Its all moot now.
Alito WAS confirmed.
That is the best thing that can happen to the USSC right now,IMNTBHO.


best or not, it is the reality. i feel fairly comfortable with roberts. we'll have to see about alito.
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Cliff Hanger
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 01:36 pm
Re: Alito as Supreme Court Justice: Are you concerned?
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Cliff Hanger wrote:
I am. Once he is nominated to the Supreme Court say farewell to: Separation of church and state, a woman's right to choose. Any others? Dang, aren't these enough? Oh, his deference to power. Eeesh.


How you reach these conclusions is a mystery.


A mystery, no. An inkling that this is the direction, I hope I am wrong.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 07:59 pm
One of the big reasons I voted for Bush. It paid off here I think. At least he should be better than some former ACLU lawyer.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 08:25 pm
Re: Alito as Supreme Court Justice: Are you concerned?
Cliff Hanger wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Cliff Hanger wrote:
I am. Once he is nominated to the Supreme Court say farewell to: Separation of church and state, a woman's right to choose. Any others? Dang, aren't these enough? Oh, his deference to power. Eeesh.


How you reach these conclusions is a mystery.


A mystery, no. An inkling that this is the direction, I hope I am wrong.


Well, it's a mystery to me until you can offer evidence for your allegations about Alito.

Your statement hardly represents an expresion of having an inkling.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 07:02 am
Cliff Hanger wrote:
I am. Once he is nominated to the Supreme Court say farewell to: Separation of church and state, a woman's right to choose. Any others? Dang, aren't these enough? Oh, his deference to power. Eeesh.

Not if Alito's future votes are patterned after his first one, in which he sided with the liberal majority on a death penalty case.

On February 2, the New York Times wrote:

Full Article (registration required).

Admittedly this was just one vote, and it didn't affect the outcome. But for what it's worth, Alito's vote did contradict the pessimists among us who see him as an extremist. And it confirmed optimists like myself, who have come to see him as a careful, open-minded, benign type of conservative.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 07:22 am
Thomas wrote:
Cliff Hanger wrote:
I am. Once he is nominated to the Supreme Court say farewell to: Separation of church and state, a woman's right to choose. Any others? Dang, aren't these enough? Oh, his deference to power. Eeesh.

Not if Alito's future votes are patterned after his first one, in which he sided with the liberal majority on a death penalty case.

On February 2, the New York Times wrote:

Full Article (registration required).

Admittedly this was just one vote, and it didn't affect the outcome. But for what it's worth, Alito's vote did contradict the pessimists among us who see him as an extremist. And it confirmed optimists like myself, who have come to see him as a careful, open-minded, benign type of conservative.


Imagine, an independant thinker. Who wudda thunk!
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flyboy804
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 08:04 am
"Indepenant thinker"- an abomination in the eyes of the far left and the far right; a ray of sunshine for the centrists.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 09:46 am
Thomas wrote:
Admittedly this was just one vote, and it didn't affect the outcome. But for what it's worth, Alito's vote did contradict the pessimists among us who see him as an extremist. And it confirmed optimists like myself, who have come to see him as a careful, open-minded, benign type of conservative.


The "extremist" label is only believed by the extremists themselves. The extreme left is so far out in left field, they have lost touch with reality. I would add that the vast majority of conservatives are benign. The extreme left along with the willing press has given a false impression of what conservatives are. It is the extreme left today that is consumed with hate and are simply out of touch with reality.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 10:08 am
So far, Alito has voted 100% with the liberals on the bench and against the conservatives on the bench. Some extremist...
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 10:12 am
Perhaps I am a bit unfamiliar with how the Supreme Court works, but I for one, was a bit shocked that he was sworn in one day, and voting on a case within a day! How does one even have a chance to study the case, given all the hoops he has been jumping through lately?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 10:14 am
okie wrote:
The "extremist" label is only believed by the extremists themselves. The extreme left is so far out in left field, they have lost touch with reality.


The irony here is delicious.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 10:54 am
I would hate to think the Supreme Court has become so political, imagine that, that maybe Alito threw some dead meat to the wolves at his door by voting with the winning side on his first case, since it was going that way anyway, just to satisfy his distractors and throw them a curve so to speak? I don't want to think he would do that because I believe he is principled and will vote every time on principle, but the thought did cross my mind that maybe the political component did influence him if he saw valid arguments for both sides on the case and it came down to possibly going either way, and if he judged the case as not having any related impacts to much of an extent on other cases. After all, the man had just endured days of grilling by senators accusing him of virtually everything. How would anyone feel after that?

P. S. I wrote the above before listening to Rush, but he is now explaining the details after some of his research on the case. Alito is apparently doing what he said he would do during the hearings, in terms of providing a 5th vote for the majority in death penalty cases like this. Not all the details, but something approximating that. In other words, the case does not indicate at all that Alito is splitting from his known principles. So my assessment was not exactly right but is close. It was a "courtesy" vote. Such a scenario was discussed with Alito in the hearings, and the vote was exactly as he said he would do.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 11:25 am
No one who has looked at Alito's track record on death penalty cases should have been surprised by this, given the particulars of the case.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 11:28 am
Not surprised at all. Still waiting for the world end though...
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 11:33 am
okie wrote:
Perhaps I am a bit unfamiliar with how the Supreme Court works, but I for one, was a bit shocked that he was sworn in one day, and voting on a case within a day! How does one even have a chance to study the case, given all the hoops he has been jumping through lately?


I'm no attorney, but those folks are some of the most brilliant people on the planet capable I am sure of working at "warp" speed compared to us common folk.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 11:36 am
woiyo wrote:
okie wrote:
Perhaps I am a bit unfamiliar with how the Supreme Court works, but I for one, was a bit shocked that he was sworn in one day, and voting on a case within a day! How does one even have a chance to study the case, given all the hoops he has been jumping through lately?


I'm no attorney, but those folks are some of the most brilliant people on the planet capable I am sure of working at "warp" speed compared to us common folk.


He had already made up his mind before being sworn in.

Anon
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