Re: Alito as Supreme Court Justice: Are you concerned?
Cliff Hanger wrote:I am. Once he is nominated to the Supreme Court say farewell to: Separation of church and state, a woman's right to choose. Any others? Dang, aren't these enough? Oh, his deference to power. Eeesh.
How you reach these conclusions is a mystery.
timberlandko wrote:Roberts and Alito are a good start, but untill we get rid of Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer there's still work to be done.
Amen!
Assuming we can rely on Roberts and Alito (a reaching assumption I admit) we only need to replace one more justice. Souters the turncoat would be my choice.
I can't hope for ill fortune to befall Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer or Kennedy. But if it will, let it be in the next 2 years.
My concern is that Kennedy will now cling to the role of the swing vote, and thereby force his votes away from predictability.
Its all moot now.
Alito WAS confirmed.
That is the best thing that can happen to the USSC right now,IMNTBHO.
mysteryman wrote:Its all moot now.
Alito WAS confirmed.
That is the best thing that can happen to the USSC right now,IMNTBHO.
best or not, it is the reality. i feel fairly comfortable with roberts. we'll have to see about alito.
Re: Alito as Supreme Court Justice: Are you concerned?
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:Cliff Hanger wrote:I am. Once he is nominated to the Supreme Court say farewell to: Separation of church and state, a woman's right to choose. Any others? Dang, aren't these enough? Oh, his deference to power. Eeesh.
How you reach these conclusions is a mystery.
A mystery, no. An inkling that this is the direction, I hope I am wrong.
One of the big reasons I voted for Bush. It paid off here I think. At least he should be better than some former ACLU lawyer.
Re: Alito as Supreme Court Justice: Are you concerned?
Cliff Hanger wrote:Finn d'Abuzz wrote:Cliff Hanger wrote:I am. Once he is nominated to the Supreme Court say farewell to: Separation of church and state, a woman's right to choose. Any others? Dang, aren't these enough? Oh, his deference to power. Eeesh.
How you reach these conclusions is a mystery.
A mystery, no. An inkling that this is the direction, I hope I am wrong.
Well, it's a mystery to me until you can offer evidence for your allegations about Alito.
Your statement hardly represents an expresion of having an
inkling.
Cliff Hanger wrote:I am. Once he is nominated to the Supreme Court say farewell to: Separation of church and state, a woman's right to choose. Any others? Dang, aren't these enough? Oh, his deference to power. Eeesh.
Not if Alito's future votes are patterned after his first one, in which he sided with the liberal majority on a death penalty case.
On February 2, the New York Times wrote:
Full Article (registration required).
Admittedly this was just one vote, and it didn't affect the outcome. But for what it's worth, Alito's vote did contradict the pessimists among us who see him as an extremist. And it confirmed optimists like myself, who have come to see him as a careful, open-minded, benign type of conservative.
Thomas wrote:Cliff Hanger wrote:I am. Once he is nominated to the Supreme Court say farewell to: Separation of church and state, a woman's right to choose. Any others? Dang, aren't these enough? Oh, his deference to power. Eeesh.
Not if Alito's future votes are patterned after his first one, in which he sided with the liberal majority on a death penalty case.
On February 2, the New York Times wrote:
Full Article (registration required).
Admittedly this was just one vote, and it didn't affect the outcome. But for what it's worth, Alito's vote did contradict the pessimists among us who see him as an extremist. And it confirmed optimists like myself, who have come to see him as a careful, open-minded, benign type of conservative.
Imagine, an independant thinker. Who wudda thunk!
"Indepenant thinker"- an abomination in the eyes of the far left and the far right; a ray of sunshine for the centrists.
Thomas wrote: Admittedly this was just one vote, and it didn't affect the outcome. But for what it's worth, Alito's vote did contradict the pessimists among us who see him as an extremist. And it confirmed optimists like myself, who have come to see him as a careful, open-minded, benign type of conservative.
The "extremist" label is only believed by the extremists themselves. The extreme left is so far out in left field, they have lost touch with reality. I would add that the vast majority of conservatives are benign. The extreme left along with the willing press has given a false impression of what conservatives are. It is the extreme left today that is consumed with hate and are simply out of touch with reality.
So far, Alito has voted 100% with the liberals on the bench and against the conservatives on the bench. Some extremist...
Perhaps I am a bit unfamiliar with how the Supreme Court works, but I for one, was a bit shocked that he was sworn in one day, and voting on a case within a day! How does one even have a chance to study the case, given all the hoops he has been jumping through lately?
okie wrote:The "extremist" label is only believed by the extremists themselves. The extreme left is so far out in left field, they have lost touch with reality.
The irony here is delicious.
I would hate to think the Supreme Court has become so political, imagine that, that maybe Alito threw some dead meat to the wolves at his door by voting with the winning side on his first case, since it was going that way anyway, just to satisfy his distractors and throw them a curve so to speak? I don't want to think he would do that because I believe he is principled and will vote every time on principle, but the thought did cross my mind that maybe the political component did influence him if he saw valid arguments for both sides on the case and it came down to possibly going either way, and if he judged the case as not having any related impacts to much of an extent on other cases. After all, the man had just endured days of grilling by senators accusing him of virtually everything. How would anyone feel after that?
P. S. I wrote the above before listening to Rush, but he is now explaining the details after some of his research on the case. Alito is apparently doing what he said he would do during the hearings, in terms of providing a 5th vote for the majority in death penalty cases like this. Not all the details, but something approximating that. In other words, the case does not indicate at all that Alito is splitting from his known principles. So my assessment was not exactly right but is close. It was a "courtesy" vote. Such a scenario was discussed with Alito in the hearings, and the vote was exactly as he said he would do.
No one who has looked at Alito's track record on death penalty cases should have been surprised by this, given the particulars of the case.
Not surprised at all. Still waiting for the world end though...
okie wrote:Perhaps I am a bit unfamiliar with how the Supreme Court works, but I for one, was a bit shocked that he was sworn in one day, and voting on a case within a day! How does one even have a chance to study the case, given all the hoops he has been jumping through lately?
I'm no attorney, but those folks are some of the most brilliant people on the planet capable I am sure of working at "warp" speed compared to us common folk.
woiyo wrote:okie wrote:Perhaps I am a bit unfamiliar with how the Supreme Court works, but I for one, was a bit shocked that he was sworn in one day, and voting on a case within a day! How does one even have a chance to study the case, given all the hoops he has been jumping through lately?
I'm no attorney, but those folks are some of the most brilliant people on the planet capable I am sure of working at "warp" speed compared to us common folk.
He had already made up his mind before being sworn in.
Anon