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Poll Shows Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush...

 
 
Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 11:12 am
DrewDad wrote:
The article shows that the poll was conducted in late October 2005.

Here are some of the polls referenced in the article:
http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12150
http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12470
Get me something more recent...it would have a better level of impact.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 11:15 am
Some similar questions from polls concerning Clinton in 1998 -


Quote:
Pew Research Center Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. September 19-22, 1998. N=706 adults nationwide.

"If it turns out that President Clinton lied under oath about having a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky, do you think that he should be impeached and removed from office, or not?"
Total 9/21-22/98 9/19-20/98

Should be 40 37 42
Should not 57 61 53
Don't know 4 2 5

Quote:
Gallup/CNN/USA Today Poll. September 14-15, 1998. N=1,028 adults nationwide.
ALL Rep. Ind. Dem.
"If the investigations into the Clinton-Lewinsky matter continue, what position would you prefer the U.S. representative from your congressional district take? 1. Favor impeaching and removing Clinton from office. 2. Favor a formal reprimand or censure of Clinton, but not removing him from office. OR, 3. Favor taking no formal action against Clinton."
Impeach 27 51 27 7
Reprimand 45 35 43 56
No formal action 24 10 26 33
No opinion 4 4 4 4


I agree that the If/then questions are bad ones.

Here is a site that has a rather extensive list of other polls, including the 2 questions, above on Clinton's impeachment.
http://democrats.com/clinton-impeachment-polls
(I didn't even realize it was the same site until I just posted it here.)
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 11:19 am
I had just seen that .pdf file as you posted, parados. I find it very odd that the results are not posted on the Zogby site, and in fact, aren't even posted on the AfterDowningStreet.org site (other than a link to the democrats.com article). So what do we have? A couple of leftwing nutjob websites foaming at the mouth for Bush's impeachment. Yeah, highly reliable sources.

And of course the wording of the question is questionable: "If President Bush wire tapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment?"

Not "should he be impeached" ... should Congress consider impeaching him. I remember the wording in Zogby's June poll being the same.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 11:19 am
DrewDad wrote:
The article shows that the poll was conducted in late October 2005.

Here are some of the polls referenced in the article:
http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12150
http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12470


Didn't the NYT article come out in early December, 2005?
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 11:21 am
I don't think Zogby posts any of its privately commissioned polls on its website. They might link to news stories about them but the person or organzation that commissioned the poll would own the poll results.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 11:22 am
parados wrote:
Some similar questions from polls concerning Clinton in 1998 -


Quote:
Pew Research Center Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. September 19-22, 1998. N=706 adults nationwide.

"If it turns out that President Clinton lied under oath about having a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky, do you think that he should be impeached and removed from office, or not?"
Total 9/21-22/98 9/19-20/98

Should be 40 37 42
Should not 57 61 53
Don't know 4 2 5

Quote:
Gallup/CNN/USA Today Poll. September 14-15, 1998. N=1,028 adults nationwide.
ALL Rep. Ind. Dem.
"If the investigations into the Clinton-Lewinsky matter continue, what position would you prefer the U.S. representative from your congressional district take? 1. Favor impeaching and removing Clinton from office. 2. Favor a formal reprimand or censure of Clinton, but not removing him from office. OR, 3. Favor taking no formal action against Clinton."
Impeach 27 51 27 7
Reprimand 45 35 43 56
No formal action 24 10 26 33
No opinion 4 4 4 4


I agree that the If/then questions are bad ones.

Here is a site that has a rather extensive list of other polls, including the 2 questions, above on Clinton's impeachment.
http://democrats.com/clinton-impeachment-polls
(I didn't even realize it was the same site until I just posted it here.)


Of course the wording on that "if/then" question was "do you think that he should be impeached," not do you think Congress should consider impeachment.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 11:30 am
Ticomaya wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
The article shows that the poll was conducted in late October 2005.

Here are some of the polls referenced in the article:
http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12150
http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12470


Didn't the NYT article come out in early December, 2005?

The second article I referenced shows a date line of:

(12/22/2005)
- By Doug Ireland, Z Net
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 11:31 am
Yep Tico.
52% think Congress SHOULD CONSIDER impeachment as opposed to 52% support impeachment. You can't go further than the question.
And then 52% thinks Congress should consider IF Bush tapped American citizens without a warrant.

Of course the IF is a pretty small if at this point with Bush defending his ability to do just that.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 11:35 am
DrewDad wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
The article shows that the poll was conducted in late October 2005.

Here are some of the polls referenced in the article:
http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12150
http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12470


Didn't the NYT article come out in early December, 2005?

The second article I referenced shows a date line of:

(12/22/2005)
- By Doug Ireland, Z Net


Yes, and I note it is an editorial, not a poll. What was your point?
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 11:42 am
Gore calls for special prosecutor over wiretaps:
Text of Gore speech, January 16, 2006
RAW STORY
Published: January 16, 2006


Congressman Barr and I have disagreed many times over the years, but we have joined together today with thousands of our fellow citizens-Democrats and Republicans alike-to express our shared concern that America's Constitution is in grave danger.

In spite of our differences over ideology and politics, we are in strong agreement that the American values we hold most dear have been placed at serious risk by the unprecedented claims of the Administration to a truly breathtaking expansion of executive power.


http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Text_of_Gore_speech_0116.html
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 01:19 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
The article shows that the poll was conducted in late October 2005.

Here are some of the polls referenced in the article:
http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12150
http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=12470


Didn't the NYT article come out in early December, 2005?

The second article I referenced shows a date line of:

(12/22/2005)
- By Doug Ireland, Z Net


Yes, and I note it is an editorial, not a poll. What was your point?

Rolling Eyes

One would think that since Zogby posted the article on their site that the statistics quoted are accurate. I thought that was your complaint.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 01:30 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Rolling Eyes

One would think that since Zogby posted the article on their site that the statistics quoted are accurate. I thought that was your complaint.


Rolling Eyes

What quoted statistics are you talking about? The statistics in the articles? They didn't pertain to this latest poll.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 01:52 pm
How about a different source ?

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Zogby poll: Majority supports impeaching Bush for wiretapping

Zogby poll: Majority supports impeaching Bush for wiretapping

WASHINGTON, D.C. — By a margin of 52 to 43 percent, citizens want Congress to impeach President Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org, a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of Pres. Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003.

The poll was conducted by Zogby International.

The poll found that 52 percent of respondents agreed with the statement: "If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."

Of those contacted, 43 percent disagreed, and 6 percent said they didn't know or declined to answer. The poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percent.

"The American people are not buying Bush's outrageous claim that he has the power to wiretap American citizens without a warrant. Americans believe terrorism can be fought without turning our own government into Big Brother," said AfterDowningStreet.org co-founder Bob Fertik in a statement.

Responses to the Zogby poll varied by political party affiliation: 76 percent of Democrats favored impeachment, compared to 50 percent of independents and 29 percent of Republicans.

Responses also varied by age, sex, race, and religion. 70 percent of those 18-29 favored impeachment, 51 percent of those 31-49, 50 percent of those 50-64, and 42 percent of those older than 65. Among women, 56 percent favored impeachment, compared to 49 percent of men. Among African Americans, 90 percent favored impeachment, compared to 67 percent of Hispanics, and 46 percent of whites.

The new Zogby poll shows a major shift in support for Bush's impeachment since June 2005. In a Zogby poll conducted June 27-29, 2005 of 905 likely voters, 42 percent agreed and 50 percent disagreed with the identical statement asked about in this recent polling.

posted January 16, 2006

vermont guardian
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jan, 2006 03:04 pm
freedom4free wrote:
How about a different source ?

Quote:

Zogby poll: Majority supports impeaching Bush for wiretappingposted January 16, 2006

vermont guardian


Thanks, but I don't think much of it. Other than quoting from your original article, it doesn't add much ... except for the final paragraph:

Quote:
The new Zogby poll shows a major shift in support for Bush's impeachment since June 2005. In a Zogby poll conducted June 27-29, 2005 of 905 likely voters, 42 percent agreed and 50 percent disagreed with the identical statement asked about in this recent polling.


... which is complete BS, since the June, 2005 asked a completely different question -- pertaining to the Iraq War -- not "the identical statement asked about in this recent polling."
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