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Murtha a fraud?

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dyslexia
 
Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 07:54 am
Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), the former Marine who is an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, has become the latest Democrat to have his Vietnam War decorations questioned.

In a tactic reminiscent of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth assault on Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) during the 2004 presidential campaign, a conservative Web site yesterday quoted Murtha opponents as questioning the circumstances surrounding the awarding of his two Purple Hearts.

Rep. John Murtha received two Purple Hearts as a Marine in the Vietnam War. (By Todd Berkey -- Associated Press)

David Thibault, editor in chief of the Cybercast News Service, said the issue of Murtha's medals from 1967 is relevant now "because the congressman has really put himself in the forefront of the antiwar movement." Thibault said: "He has been placed by the Democratic Party and antiwar activists as a spokesman against the war above reproach."
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 08:13 am
Whoodathought he'd be attacked from the far left? I was waiting to see what assinine Republican had dissed him.

Glad for little respites.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 08:32 am
"Whoodathought he'd be attacked from the far left?"

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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 08:44 am
This "story" was aired on Cybercast News Serive whose chairman is Mr. Bozell the Executive Director of the Conservative Victory Committee (CVC), an independent multi-candidate political action committee that has helped elect dozens of conservative candidates over the past ten years. He was National Finance Chairman for the 1992 Buchanan for President campaign, and Finance Director and later President of the former National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC). He currently belongs to the Council for National Policy (CNP).
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 10:33 am
dyslexia wrote:
This "story" was aired on Cybercast News Serive whose chairman is Mr. Bozell the Executive Director of the Conservative Victory Committee (CVC), an independent multi-candidate political action committee that has helped elect dozens of conservative candidates over the past ten years. He was National Finance Chairman for the 1992 Buchanan for President campaign, and Finance Director and later President of the former National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC). He currently belongs to the Council for National Policy (CNP).

Damned liberal!
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 11:43 am
That was what I was thinking but was afraid I might of missed something so I waited to see if anyone else thought the same.

The whole thing just figures.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 02:01 pm
Good God. I read wrong.

The universe is realigned.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 02:11 pm
Re: Murtha a fraud?
dyslexia wrote:
Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), the former Marine who is an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, has become the latest Democrat to have his Vietnam War decorations questioned.

In a tactic reminiscent of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth assault on Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) during the 2004 presidential campaign, a conservative Web site yesterday quoted Murtha opponents as questioning the circumstances surrounding the awarding of his two Purple Hearts.

Rep. John Murtha received two Purple Hearts as a Marine in the Vietnam War. (By Todd Berkey -- Associated Press)

David Thibault, editor in chief of the Cybercast News Service, said the issue of Murtha's medals from 1967 is relevant now "because the congressman has really put himself in the forefront of the antiwar movement." Thibault said: "He has been placed by the Democratic Party and antiwar activists as a spokesman against the war above reproach."


It's odd, isn't it, how the people who criticize wars turn out to have been wrongly decorated?


Do you have any medals, Dys, that we ought to be criticizing you for having?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 02:24 pm
Yes Deb I do, should I send them back?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 02:26 pm
never mind. I am already an evil villian. I shall keep them in the cigar box in my fathers file cabinent.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 02:31 pm
Hmmmm.... Interesting. To be honest, the reason I got interested in debate forums was because of the Swift Boat Vets. I was a Vietnam vet and knew Kerry was a blowhard because I was there, not with him, but knew he was a phony by what he said about the war. Now this. My first reaction is that I would not group Murtha with a Kerry, but frankly I don't know anything about him. I think he is just kind of an old worn out Democrat thats lost his way. If he wasn't bragging about his medals all this time, I wouldn't pick on him, but on the other hand, if he's been trumpeting his great record and medals as demonstrating his authority, sort of like Kerry did, I think its justified to take a look at how he got them.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 02:34 pm
I have no knowledge or opinion with respect to Rep. Murtha, but no reason to doubt either his record or the sincerity of his expressed views on Iraq.

Kerry is another matter. The nucleus of the group that called his record into question was composed of all but one of the officers in his swift boat squadron - his contemporaries and those who knew him best. Further, the documentary evidence of his very record paints a clear picture of his self-promotion and misuse of the awards system to get an early release from service in Vietnam and a third Purple heard for an injury that wouldn't qualify as even a reportable workplace injury under OSHA, and which those responsible for his medical care did not endorse.

Further, to my knowledge Murtha doesn't go around portraying himself as a war hero - in a way that rings very false to those who have themselves endured a serious dose of the real thing. The truly goofy "John Kerry reporting for duty" bit with which he opened his nomination acceptance speech summed it up quite well. He has still never released his service record - despite several, repeated assurances that he would do so - and for good reason. He was almost certainly discharged under "Other than Honorable conditions" as a resultof his meetingswith the North Vietnamese in Paris while still on active duty.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 02:35 pm
Dys, I would send them back before they come after you with the slime bag.


You are a veteran who is publicly anti the Iraq invasion.

Then again, they will slime you if you send them back, too.


I think it is safer simply never to utter a word against the war again.

To do so is to be a traitor.


We are back in the days of McCarthy.

(Seen "Good Night, and Good Luck" yet? A very scary film...)
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 02:45 pm
Forget McCarthy. He died long time ago. georgeob1 is accurate in all points. If Murtha isn't out there bragging about his medals, leave him alone.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 02:50 pm
Re: Murtha a fraud?
dlowan wrote:
It's odd, isn't it, how the people who criticize wars turn out to have been wrongly decorated?


and also odd, how few of the war's loudest cheerleaders served.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 03:02 pm
The military supports Bush even now, so don't follow you there. Maybe its who you hang around. Most former military that I know, support the administration.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 03:08 pm
okie wrote:
The military supports Bush even now, so don't follow you there. Maybe its who you hang around. Most former military that I know, support the administration.


umm, i hang around with all kinds of folks, okie. some for, some against. some young, some old. some vets (of various wars and actions), some not.

but, my remark was directed at the political cheerleaders.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 03:34 pm
AS a veteran of the Korean war I offer this comment. IMO "AWOL" Bush dragged this nation into an unnecessary and unjustified war. A war which may have an outcome no better than which existed prior to the invasion.
Before you throw stones at those who fought examine the Moron in Chiefs military record.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 05:11 pm
Those fing Republicans in the present administration had better things to do than go to Vietnam and now they smear mud all over any veteran who did fight, if they disagree with present policies. If sayings like reap what you sow and what goes around comes around have any validity, they will eventually pay.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2006 09:37 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
... He was almost certainly discharged under "Other than Honorable conditions" as a result of his meetings with the North Vietnamese in Paris while still on active duty.


Lord, a US citizen actually attempted to do something honorable to do something about an illegal and immoral war, started, yes, once again with lies.

A war started by a country that took an active role in the assasination of the leader of South Vietnam. That is a textbook definition of terrorism.

A war in which civilians were raped, napalmed, murdered, ...

And george, with his misdirection, has convinced okie.
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