Those Iraqis have it too easy!! Why not just take...

Yes. Even though the Bush Administration lied about the need to invade

...and then did so illegally, with no mandate from either the American people or the international community,

...and then managed to destroy all infrastructure in Iraq....

...kill over 100,000 Iraqi civilians

...get thousands and thousands of US soldiers killed or maimed

...AND created a breeding-ground for terrorists that will last for decades

...they can't be held responsible for taking NO notice whatsoever about weather conditions in the continental USA.


The Iraqis, however, are a bunch of ungrateful ragheads who need to acknowledge that white, Christian folks with SUVs are their betters.... but not in a 'harsh, vindictive way' (wink, wink)...

Mr Stillwater wrote:

Yes. Even though the Bush Administration lied about the need to invade

You have a piece of evidence that they lied about something? Oh, I forgot, it's only my delusion that liberals should give evidence for their accusations.

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...and then did so illegally, with no mandate from either the American people or the international community,

Whether the invasion was legal or not would be very complex to determine. Furthermore, most of the wars in previous human history have been started based on the believed interest of the country that started them without the tiniest concern for whether they adhered to international law.

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...and then managed to destroy all infrastructure in Iraq....

As opposed to all of history's gentle invasions, of course, the invasion of Kuwait, for instance.

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...kill over 100,000 Iraqi civilians

I challenge your allegation that American troops did this. Give me a citation.

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...get thousands and thousands of US soldiers killed or maimed

So uncommon for war....

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...AND created a breeding-ground for terrorists that will last for decades

If Saddam Hussein had merely been continuing to conceal his WMD, and they had been used in the future, just one might have obliterated a cityfull of people.

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...they can't be held responsible for taking NO notice whatsoever about weather conditions in the continental USA.

No one on our government has said any such thing, but of course Americans can be legitimately blamed even for things they haven't done.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Mr Stillwater wrote:

Yes. Even though the Bush Administration lied about the need to invade

You have a piece of evidence that they lied about something? Oh, I forgot, it's only my delusion that liberals should give evidence for their accusations.

Look up the Yellow Cake Uranium story. The administration knew it was false, yet the president used it to support invasion. That's just one lie.

...There were plenty of things said that might not be considered a straightforward lie, but are certainly misleading and dishonest. The continual association to 9/11

...the "we don't want the smoking gun to be in the form of a mushroom cloud" bullsh*t... the list goes on and on.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...and then did so illegally, with no mandate from either the American people or the international community,

Whether the invasion was legal or not would be very complex to determine. Furthermore, most of the wars in previous human history have been started based on the believed interest of the country that started them without the tiniest concern for whether they adhered to international law.

Actually, it pretty much was illegal. Not that tough to determine. And it doesn't matter what "previous wars" were started over. We have control over ourselves as a nation. Because something was done wrongly in the past doesn't mean that it should be done wrongly in the present.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...and then managed to destroy all infrastructure in Iraq....

As opposed to all of history's gentle invasions, of course, the invasion of Kuwait, for instance.

In Kuwait, Saddam set fire to lots of the oil fields, but he didn't (as far as I know) destroy just about all the power generating plants and water filtration locations as we did for our invasion. Such actions are particularly deadly to the civilian population.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...kill over 100,000 Iraqi civilians

I challenge your allegation that American troops did this. Give me a citation.

I'm with you on that one. Looks like it's between 27k and 31k. This site actually does a very good job of keeping track: LINK

Brandon9000 wrote:

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...get thousands and thousands of US soldiers killed or maimed

So uncommon for war....

Maybe uncommon for war, but when it's the result of a war that was totally unecessary and justified through deciet, it's worth noting.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...AND created a breeding-ground for terrorists that will last for decades

If Saddam Hussein had merely been continuing to conceal his WMD, and they had been used in the future, just one might have obliterated a cityfull of people.

Oh, you're one of those people who still thinks WMD's existed? Time to let that one go. Even the president admitted he was wrong on that point. Our cities were perfectly safe from Saddam. Not like anything anyone says or anything you see is going to make you come around on that point. Stillwater was right. We may have killed lots of bad guys, but all we're doing is kicking a hornets nest.

Brandon9000 wrote:

Mr Stillwater wrote:

...they can't be held responsible for taking NO notice whatsoever about weather conditions in the continental USA.

No one on our government has said any such thing, but of course Americans can be legitimately blamed even for things they haven't done.

Oh, a smarmy, smart ass comment. Good one. I'm not totally sure of what Stillwater was saying, but I could guess (and think I'm fairly close to the point) that asking the Iraqis to pay us for our Katrina problems is bordering on lunacy. Their country is a total clusterf*ck right now, and much of the blame is at our feet. They hardly have an army worth a second look, terrorists are swarming in, letting off bombs (how many have died in the past week...100? More?), there is a strong risk of civil war, and now we're going to take their oil money to fix our state? Are you kiddin' me?

JustanObserver wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Mr Stillwater wrote:

Yes. Even though the Bush Administration lied about the need to invade

You have a piece of evidence that they lied about something? Oh, I forgot, it's only my delusion that liberals should give evidence for their accusations.

Look up the Yellow Cake Uranium story. The administration knew it was false, yet the president used it to support invasion. That's just one lie.

Having one piece of intelligence ultimately turn out to be false hardly qualifies as a lie. Please cite me a statement that was a lie.

Brandon9000 wrote:

JustanObserver wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Mr Stillwater wrote:

Yes. Even though the Bush Administration lied about the need to invade

You have a piece of evidence that they lied about something? Oh, I forgot, it's only my delusion that liberals should give evidence for their accusations.

Look up the Yellow Cake Uranium story. The administration knew it was false, yet the president used it to support invasion. That's just one lie.

Having one piece of intelligence ultimately turn out to be false hardly qualifies as a lie. Please cite me a statement that was a lie.

You asked for a piece of information. I gave it to you. Now your asking for more.

From the tone of your answers, I can tell I could give you every "piece of information" and cite in the world and it would be pointless. Your not willing to be open to the answers.

Whatever you think about this is 100% right, ok? Good for you.

It is waste of time to keep rebutting the same arguments ad nauseum.

that horse has not only been beaten to death, but dug back up and had a gun put to it's head.