lets pray for our troops

msolga wrote:

er ... MA, you did notice that Dylan was rather less than impressed, rather critical in fact, with the notion of God supporting any particular side in a war?

Uh, yes, msolga, I did. I understand that song very well.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Thanx for posting that, msolga. Did you see I started a thread for the Iraqi people? I dedicated it to you for your compassion. I hope I did you proud.

MA

Your Iraqi thread really has nothing to do with me. Please go back a few posts in this thread & read my thoughts on this.

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msolga wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
Thanx for posting that, msolga. Did you see I started a thread for the Iraqi people? I dedicated it to you for your compassion. I hope I did you proud.

MA

Your Iraqi thread really has nothing to do with me. Please go back a few post in this thread & read my thoughts on this.

Oh I read it msolga. But that thread had to do with you making me see that if I was going to pray openly for the troops I also needed to pray openly for the Iraqi people. I thank you for that.

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Hey kitty come from Australia. Me like Australia.

Have you yet to see a kangaroo?

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Yes, that is decidely more even-handed, MA! Next, perhaps you could wave the Iraqi flag in your threads along with the US one? :wink:

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I'm the other one wrote:

Hey kitty come from Australia. Me like Australia.

Have you yet to see a kangaroo?

Are you an 8 year old, the one? Laughing

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Uhm, close....I'm 31.

LOL

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Gosh.

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Gosh indeed.

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Shazaam.

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I dunno. I was reading through this thread, and there was something vaguely familiar about the flavor of it. When I thought about it, I realized that the call to pray for troops, (which side is besides the point) reminds me of those memorial ads that you see in newspapers, near the obituary colums.

You know the ones that I mean. It's the memorial type of ad where someone has died some time ago, and the family, or friends write the ad as if the deceased is capable of reading and appreciating it. "Oh Shirley, we miss you so much. Our lives have been diminished since you are gone from our presence," or some such nonsense.

IMO, if a person believes in prayer, so be it. They are entitled. I think that you all know about what I think of prayer, but that is of no consequence. It is when the call to prayer becomes a group project, that I believe that the person who calls for it is on the wrong track. The person who does this, especially in a group comprised mostly of people to whom prayer is not a viable method of dealing with issues, is only opening him/herself to ridicule.

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[quote="Phoenix32890"]I dunno. I was reading through this thread, and there was something vaguely familiar about the flavor of it. When I thought about it, I realized that the call to pray for troops, (which side is besides the point) reminds me of those memorial ads that you see in newspapers, near the obituary colums.

You know the ones that I mean. It's the memorial type of ad where someone has died some time ago, and the family, or friends write the ad as if the deceased is capable of reading and appreciating it. "Oh Shirley, we miss you so much. Our lives have been diminished since you are gone from our presence," or some such nonsense.

IMO, if a person believes in prayer, so be it. They are entitled. I think that you all know about what I think of prayer, but that is of no consequence. It is when the call to prayer becomes a group project, that I believe that the person who calls for it is on the wrong track. The person who does this, especially in a group comprised mostly of people to whom prayer is not a viable method of dealing with issues, is only opening him/herself to ridicule.[/quote]

Phoenix,

This surprises me coming from you since you know about my support of the troops. I know there are some troops that visit A2K. I was hoping they might get a bit of encouragement from the prayer support threads.

To think that someone should expect ridicule for asking for prayer for our troops IMO is the same thing as a woman should expect to be raped if she wears a miniskirt and haltertop.

msolga,

I tried to find a gif for the Iraqi flag! I couldn't find one. I would be happy to do one of two things:

1. Use another graphic for the Iraqis (if you have one I'd consider it an honor to use it.)

2. I can just stop using the US flag.

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In the other example of shameless self-promotion called a prayer thread, timberlandko wrote:

Certainly, a call to prayer relating to a specific contemporary hot topic, issued on a public internet forum with world-wide membership and respectable page rank isn't done for show - why, if such were to be the case - if it were to be done for show - one would expect the author of that call to prayer would take pains to assure the thread pertaining to that call for prayer remained active, posting frequently to the topic, keeping it fresh, which would invite a greater number of pageviews both from regular forum participants and from curious passers-by.

One might even expect the author of such a flagrant, self-agrandizing, counter-scriptural exhortation to take public what theologically is conceptualized a personal, private manifestation of one's own relationship with one's God to react confrontationally with regard to challenge or other perceived irreverance expressed through interactions on the part of participants in the discussion, in such wise fostering further interaction, in interest of and with effect of maintaining the discussion's visibility on the forum at question.

Now, unless thats whats going on here ....

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Momma wrote:

Phoenix,

This surprises me coming from you since you know about my support of the troops. I know there are some troops that visit A2K. I was hoping they might get a bit of encouragement from the prayer support threads.

I know of your support of the troops, and I applaud your efforts.
Yes, I think that it is wonderful to tell the troops that you support them, and that you appreciate what they are doing, and the risks that they are taking. I don't think though, that asking for prayer on an internet forum is quite in the same category.

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

Momma wrote:
Phoenix,

This surprises me coming from you since you know about my support of the troops. I know there are some troops that visit A2K. I was hoping they might get a bit of encouragement from the prayer support threads.

I know of your support of the troops, and I applaud your efforts.
Yes, I think that it is wonderful to tell the troops that you support them, and thet you appreciate what they are doing, and the risks that they are taking. I don't think though, that asking for prayer on an internet forum is quite in the same category.

Phoenix,

Perhaps to you it is not in the same category. I have a saying in our organization:

It doesn't matter how much or how little you do for the troops. As long as you do something that comes from the heart. If just one soldier receives one word of encouragement then we have fulfilled our mission statement.

What I did came from my heart.

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husker wrote:

again you'd like to paint every Christian the same and that's the part the inflames me so much

but you have previously inferred that all non-christians are the same;

husker wrote:

littlek wrote:
I won't ask this on your new thread, MA, but why did you start it? Why do you insist on keeping the prayers for the us troops seperate from those for the iraqi people? It reminds me of the old seperate, but equal ploy.

Oh like the old atheists are superior to Christians ploy unfolds in front of us. And a hugh lack of intolerance rears it's ugly face.

ya can't have it both ways, husker. if you hold that all christians are unique individuals, you must certainly understand that all non-christians (and those christians who are not into the born again thing) are as well.

consider this;

one of the things that, according to legend, got jesus, a jew, into trouble with his fellow jews, was that he was not the "right kind of jew".

in that light, do you feel like you are being tolerant when you label anyone who does not subscribe to your kind of christianity an "athiest" ?

don't feel like i'm singling either fundimental christians, or yourself, out here.

having become a follower of lord buddha over 20 years ago, i often get the same spiel from some of my fellow students of the dharma. why ?

because i believe in a creator.

not the god of abraham that jews, muslims and christians observe, but still, i believe in a greater being who for his own reasons brought our universe(s?) and all beings in them to whatever state of reality they happen to be occupying.

as you can see, intolerance can be found not only, as you appear to assert, outside of a faith, religion or practice, but also within; whether it is dogmatic of the tenets or simply the thinking of a particular church, synagogue, mosque or temple.

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dlowan wrote:

I'm the other one wrote:
I just now posted that!!!
you're fast.

Could that be an element in the lack of punani issue?

i sense a joke about "idle hands" just off the radar... just give me a tick while i try to reconcile the "lack of" and "idle hands" parts...

nope. the 2 just seem to be incompatible...

sorry.

carry on.

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

ya can't have it both ways, husker. if you hold that all christians are unique individuals, you must certainly understand that all non-christians (and those christians who are not into the born again thing) are as well.

Non believers are absolutely unique individuals. Deserving of love, happiness, and every single thing that is good. Christian ... or non Christian. Being one or the other does not make either side better. But knowing Husker .... he agrees with that. I doubt there is a prejudice bone in his body. He's a very sweet, sensitive man.

While I'm at it and posting ....... I might as well get it off my chest. I have read as much as I can stomach of some of these posts in the Spirituality and Religion section.

You all remind me of a bunch of children that have not learned how to play in the same sand box together. And I'm talking about both, believers and non believers, here.

I see certain members follow Momma Angel around ....... seeming to deliberately try and provoke her. It's pretty sickening.

And I see Momma Angel seemingly do the same thing to certain posters. Only with her, deep down inside, you still feel the love. I highly doubt that she is the bad person some of you try and make her out to be.

Perhaps you do not believe in God. But, certainly, you can't feel good about some of the attacks and mockery that you bestow upon her. And Momma ..... I know that YOU know ...... sometimes it is better to calm the seas by turning the other cheek. This doesn't mean you are weak. Quite the opposite.

Would those of you that do not believe in God, defend to your death, that which you love the most in this world? This is what she is doing. Perhaps not in most perfect of ways. But who has the right to demand perfection?

I am a believer. I will stand firmly on my beliefs. To say that I am not educated and need to be put on medication and locked in a padded cell because I believe in God ....... just shows how truely sad, the thinking is of some people. I am grateful that most of the non believers on this forum are good decent, kind, human beings . And I find them quite charming.

Reach inside of yourselves. Find all the parts of your caring side ..... and realize, that just because we don't all think alike .....does not mean we are any less deserving.

Sad

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Good post, brooke.

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DontTreadOnMe
you know I'm talking about the atheist that were in the uproar of that certain topic - do not twist it

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lets pray for our troops

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