Robertson Links Sharon Stroke, God's Wrath

yup, he's with Pop Scott now. no more lectures about pyramid inches. wonder what happened to his stamp collection, quarter horses, and what not.

He was actually fascinating at times! He's still on late night here, no kidding. His foundation must still be chasing the bucks!

Anon

then it's still not too late send some bucks, anon.

Of course it does. This notion that there is a distinction between the Jewish "nation" and the Jewish religion is just so much nonsense. If there is any such thing as a Jewish "nation," its membership is restricted to those who adhere to the Jewish religion. Any Jew who professes a belief in Jesus Christ as the messiah is not a Jew, and, perforce, not a member of the Jewish "nation."

snicker, snicker

From today's Washington Post

LMAO, replace Ahmadinejad with ______ , hilarity ensues!!

Sorry couldn't resist.

joefromchicago,

I still disagree. I have a friend who lives in Shreveport. She will tell you she is Jewish only in the respect of nationality/family lineage ~ straight from Israel. However, she says she is a Christian Jew.

"Christian Jew" is about as oxymoronic as "rap music," "temporary tax," or "compassionate conservative." I'll be generous and conclude that your friend is simply confused. That sounds much better than assuming she's an idiot.

Would you assume these to be idiots or simply confused?

http://www.cjf.org/messianic_perspectives/webcast/Webcast_main.html

i'm not sure about that, if "secular Jew" isn't an oxymoron. the last time i heard, secular Jews made up a plurality of Israelis. then there's this comment from a PBS show:



http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week609/feature.html

I know quite a few people who consider themselves "jews," but who do not consider themselves followers of Judaism. Are you saying they are fooling themselves?

What identity are they qualified to claim?

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15888228&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=418218&rfi=6

No 12-step program effective against Pat Robertson

Inside an open meeting of Snotty Humor Columnists Anonymous . . .


ME: "My name is Chris, and I'm addicted to hypocrites. My drug of choice is politicians, but lately I've been binging on televangelists and talk radio. It started out innocently enough ?- a little Falwell before breakfast, a little Limbaugh after work, maybe some cable ?'news' on weekends. But now I'm hitting the hard stuff ?- Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly. I'm really afraid of where this is headed."

COUNSELOR: "You sound like you're on a Pat Robertson bender."

ME: "How can you tell?"

COUNSELOR: "He's why many of us eventually seek help. For snotty humor columnists, hypocrites are like candy. Pat is the Double-Chocolate, Deep-Fried Oreo of hypocrites. Thousands of case studies have shown it's almost impossible to resist the motherlode of empty calories he offers a columnist looking for an easy target on deadline."

ME: "I know it's wrong to write about Pat, but its seems like every time he opens his mouth, he reaches new depths of shamelessness and stupidity. Before I know it, I'm down in the gutter with him, and it feels sooooooo good."

COUNSELOR: "Pat knows that, which is why he makes all these crackpot statements."

ME: "So how do I quit him?"

COUNSELOR: "I'm sorry, but there's no cure. This is something you'll struggle with for the rest of your life, or until Pat is called home to that Great Tax Shelter in the Sky."

ME: "I feel so dirty."

COUNSELOR: "Don't we all?"

I somehow resisted taking a well-deserved shot at the Rev. Robertson back in November, when he injected himself into the debate about whether "intelligent design" should be taught in public schools in York County. The substantive part of the debate had already been settled by Dover voters, who ousted eight Republican members of the School Board who supported adding ID to the curriculum.

"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover, if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city," Pat said on his show, "The 700 Club," which is somehow still carried by the ABC Family channel.

"And don't wonder why He hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because He might not be there."

Like most hypocrites trawling the darkest depths of American politics, Pat is all for democracy, as long as the vote goes his (small "h") way. God forbid voters actually use the free will endowed by the Creator.

DISCUSSION QUESTION: Is there a better argument against intelligent design than Pat Robertson?

Anyhoo, Pat faced a deluge of criticism for the Dover remarks, which is exactly what he wanted. My next column wasn't running for another three days, and by that time, I'd be the only member of the choir singing. It just wasn't worth the effort or the ink.

This Wednesday, however, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had a massive stroke, which afforded Pat yet another irresistible opportunity to present himself as an important, international player to his zombified followers.

"God considers this land to be his," Pat said, explaining that Mr. Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for Israel's withdrawal from Gaza. "You read the Bible and he says, ?'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, ?'No, this is mine.'?"

DISCUSSION QUESTION: Didn't the United States (God's favorite) "carve up and give away" said land when it led the way in establishing modern Israel in 1948?

As intended, Pat's Sharon remarks drew immediate outrage across the planet. Even the White House used words like "inappropriate" and "offensive," which rang all the louder in light of the White House's relative silence after Pat tagged Dover as "Sodom and Gomorrah Lite."

Hey, that's a hypocrisy Super-Twofer. Ahh, so good.

Good, but ultimately empty. When you step back and look at it in a sober light, this clumsy dance we snotty humor columnists do with Pat every time he says something outrageous is painfully predictable and more than a little pathetic.

Pat claims the power to steer hurricanes, and we insert windbag jokes. Pat says feminism encourages women to become lesbians and kill their children, and we insert paranoid nutcase windbag jokes. Pat calls for the assassination of the Venezuelan president, and blah, blah, blah.

It's just too easy. Maybe today, I should actually try to say something more meaningful than "Pat Robertson is a human cartoon," something I wish more Christians would stand up and shout when this sad little man claims to represent the faith we share.

Here goes: I am a Christian. Pat Robertson does not speak for me, nor for the Jesus I learned about in church and at home. The Jesus I know was and is a man of peace who taught love, compassion and understanding, who threw the moneychangers out of the temple and who was willing to die for the salvation of others.

As far as I know, he never called for the killing of another human being in his father's name or used his father's words to enrich himself and his friends at the expense of those who trust him most.

Pat Robertson did these things and more. He is a moneychanger in the temple, and while he claims a burning desire to be face-to-face with Jesus some day, I'm not convinced such a meeting would go quite as well as Pat plans.

I could be wrong, of course, but then I don't pretend to know the mind of God.

That's Pat's job.

No definition of Judaism that I know of includes acceptance of Jesus as savior. Any Jew wanting to do that has every right to do so. But then he or she is a Christian.

Is a Christian still Christian if he worships Allah?

Let's stop the nonsense, Momma Angel, OK?

Idiots.

I'm not entirely up on my Judaic theology, but if it is expected that all Jews actively practice their faith in order to be considered a Jew, and if "secular Jew" is defined as a person who had previously practiced the Jewish faith but no longer does so, then a "secular Jew" is synonymous with "non-Jewish Jew." It would, therefore, be as oxymoronic as a "christian Jew."

I don't know them, but it's quite possible. Or they could simply be retarded. I'd have to know more about them to find out.


I have no idea. They could be identify themselves by their location, their hair color, their occupation, their hobbies, their sexual orientation, their favorite character from the "Our Gang" comedies -- what they couldn't do, however, is accurately identify themselves as Jews.

Really, I don't know why this is so difficult to grasp. Anyone who believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ cannot be a Jew, any more than he or she can be a Moslem, a Buddhist, a Zoroastrian, or an atheist. Likewise, someone who does not believe in the divinity of Christ can be all sorts of things, but s/he cannot be a christian.

Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one, Joefromchicago. I only know there are people that call themselves Jewish Christians, for whatever reason. Good thing it's not up to me or you to decide who or what anything is. :wink:

perhaps *you* expect all Jews to practice Judaism, but i suspect many Jews have no such expectation. my understanding is that anyone who's mother is Jewish is a Jew. by analogy with Christianity, i expect that most Christians would consider anyone who's been baptised to be Christian, regardless of an individual's lack of devotion.