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Thanks for Nothing, Bush's Gift to Taxpayers . . .

 
 
jjorge
 
Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2003 12:03 am
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jjorge
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2003 12:05 am
How long is Bush going to get away with bamboozling the American public?
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New Haven
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2003 01:52 am
You must be a Democrat!
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2003 07:28 am
I keep reading about the rebuilding of Iraq. My question is how much of the rebuilding is needed as a result of our action and how much is due to an infrastructure that was neglected, falling apart and never existed?
As far as who should get the contracts IMO they should all go to US and British industries and those of friendly nations. France, Russia and Germany should get zero,nada.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 18 Apr, 2003 07:41 am
jjorge*197982*

How long is Bush going to get away with bamboozling the American public?

As long as the majority agree with his action. I was against the action originally but after reading about the atrocities committed by the Saddam regime I now believe the action was needed. The UN just based upon the human rights violations, which they were fully aware of, should have sanctioned it. Just another failing of that august organization
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frolic
 
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Reply Fri 9 May, 2003 02:28 am
From the LA Times
By Mark Fineman


Halliburton Unit's Bill for Iraq Work MountsFodder for Critics

Antiwar activists have asserted that U.S. corporate profits were among the motives in waging the campaign in Iraq, which has the second-largest oil reserves on the globe. Other critics have charged that the Dallas-based Halliburton has received preferential treatment from the Bush administration.

Cheney was Halliburton's chief executive officer for five years until he resigned in August 2000 to be George W. Bush's running mate. Cheney no longer owns stock in the company, and spokesmen for both the Pentagon and KBR deny favoritism; both said the Army logistics contract sanctioning the company's work for the Iraq reconstruction agency was competitively bid before it was awarded in 2001.

But another contract that KBR won to repair Iraq's oil fields and put out postwar oil and gas fires was not competitively bid. And it has been a lightning rod for criticism.

The Army Corps of Engineers, citing urgency and the need for secrecy, awarded KBR the exclusive, classified oil contract March 8, after KBR had done a similarly classified study on how to solve Iraq's postwar oil problems.

Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Los Angeles) is spearheading an effort to expose details of the KBR oil contract, and his latest exchange of letters with Army Corps commander Lt. Gen. Robert Flowers this week disclosed that the scope of work for Halliburton's subsidiary in Iraq's oil industry goes well beyond firefighting and emergency repairs.

In a May 2 letter, Flowers wrote that the Halliburton contract also includes "operation of facilities and distribution of products" for the Iraqi oil industry.

Flowers added that the contract, which has a ceiling of $7 billion but is expected to cost much less, will continue at least until August, when the corps is planning to issue a competitively bid contract to repair Iraq's oil infrastructure that could run through 2004.

Lesser-Known Contract

Far lesser known is the contract that the Pentagon used to deploy KBR to set up, cater to and care for the Iraq-based officials of the postwar reconstruction agency here. That contract has no cost ceiling!!!!!
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 08:18 am
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Looking for the sinister reason why Bush is so adamant about his tax cut? Sure he wants to pay off his big campaign contributors, and yes, it's always nice for him to help the rich get richer. The supply side theory is tenuous at best and most of those pushing for the tax cut know this. That is simply how they package it, it isn't the real motive.

The real motive is that Republicans like deficits. Sure a surplus means that the economy is going along well, and that's good, and allows them to cut taxes. But there's more to being a good Republican than simply cutting taxes. More importantly, there's cutting spending.

By having a perpetual deficit, they are able to harp on the cut spending mantra all the way along cutting programs that aren't "necessary". Having a deficit ensures that some government spending will need to be cut. Think it is a coincidence that the surplus came about during a Democratic administration?

Bush is pushing so hard for his tax cuts, not because he genuinely believes it is going to help spur the economy. He knows better than that. Supply side theory has been proven to be counter productive. He's pushing for the tax cuts so that the deficit becomes perpetual and the cutting of government programs becomes perpetual too. Why so much emphasis on cuts years down the road? So that even if somehow a Democrat is able to win back the White House or maybe even Congress, they will be forced into making cuts, rather than increasing spending on certain programs.

Now, of course, these cuts won't affect Defense. The cuts will be made in entitlements, medical care, arts funding, anything and everything that Republicans don't like. A deficit allows them to bite their lip and "Golly, I sure wish we didn't have to cut unemployment compensation, but look at the deficit?"

The Balanced Budget Amendment during the Clinton years was their way of trying to restrain any spending of the surplus that was coming. Isn't it odd that there is precious little talk from the Congressional Republicans about the BBA these days? It is because running a deficit makes it much easier for them to achieve their funding goals and their moralist hyperbole.

And it's win-win-win for the future of the Republican party. Say the Democrats do regain power in a couple of years. Well, then they are faced with a huge deficit, and have three options: a) raise taxes to bridge the gap; b) cut spending to bridge the gap; or c) increase spending and increase the deficit more. Any of these options benefit the Republicans and they know it. Raising taxes is always unpopular. Cutting spending hurts Democrats with their core voters. Increasing the deficit gives Republicans more of what they want.

Let's hope the Democrats in Congress are able to stand up to this, and help the future of their party.


Deficits GOOD, Surplus BAD
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 08:42 am
PDiddie:
That's one of the best quotes I've seen in a while. It doesn't necessaraily take a Democrat to see the retrogressive nature of the Republicans, their greed and willingness to sacrifice the interests of the public to their warped agenda.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 10:06 am
I appreciate not paying taxes on my dividends. Thanks, President Bush.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 10:23 am
Ouch! Yeah, thanks, Mr. President.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 10:41 am
oh yeah and thanks Mr President for sending the bill to my childrend's children.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 10:49 am
so much for the Repubs demand for the Balanced Budget Amendment
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New Haven
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 10:52 am
Look at the Commonwealth of Massachusetts if you want to see what happens when someone tries to balance a budget.

We might be headed for the next American Revolution.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 12:10 pm
will King Dubya get his tea dumped in the harbor?
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New Haven
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 01:26 pm
Possibly!
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 01:35 pm
Actually, new haven's response provides the answer to many of the questions. It is beautifuly simplistic

"I appreciate not paying taxes on my dividends. Thanks, President Bush."

No thought, no care, no plan, nothing. The very nature of republicans today is the "I" - never a "We" or a "You." And it all wraps around money, as described above. But the money as defined in it's mine, I'm keeping it.

And, deserved or not, that has helped defined the democrats as people who care, who are concerned about the welfare of people.

Ah, but this represents a great threat to the republicans, so they arm themselves with lies, deceits, people who can be bought, nastiness, meaness, threats, considered ways to demonize and destroy all those who don't agree.

You know how a lot of the Arabs refer to America (and they do single out Bush a lot) as the Great Satan? This is the continuing epic battle between good and bad.

See, new haven, one of the things that distinguishes us is this, I don't want your money for myself. I want a rightful share of it so it can be distributed to help others. You want your money because it's yours, and you want to spend it on yourself. Just change the nouns in what was written above to I and you.

As usual, when you start getting to the core of things, it gets simpler.

Over analysis leads to paralysis is something I think the democrats should consider.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2003 01:40 pm
mamajuana wrote:
Actually, new haven's response provides the answer to many of the questions. It is beautifuly simplistic"


I'm just a simple, little person trying to make it in tough world.
Razz
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2003 02:14 pm
Re: Thanks for Nothing, Bush's Gift to Taxpayers . . .
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...with huge contracts awarded in secret...

If there are actually contracts being awarded in secret, how does Kinsley know? And if he actually has evidence of same, why is he keeping it to himself?

Seems like a pretty convenient claim to make. It may well be true, but how are we to know? (The only contracts Kinsley mentions are anything but secret.)
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 05:35 pm
So, on the Daily Tax Cut Speech show on CNN today, Commander Joystick talked about the Riyadh bombings and vowed that we'd hunt down those responsible and give them a taste of 'American Justice.'

Would that be the same 'American Justice' that we showed to Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein?

If so, rest assured the Riyadh bombers will be free for the rest of their natural lives.

(As a Houston Rockets fan, I'm reminded of the '90s and the New York Knicks and the Patrick Ewing era, when at the beginning of every season Ewing would guarantee a championship. Ha. Ha. Ha.)
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2003 09:06 pm
Scrat: When... they... were... awarded... it... was.... done.... quietly... and... without.... competitive.... bids....

Okay?
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