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intrepid, isn't "fear of God" an important aspect of Christianity?

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yitwail,

Let me jump in here, if I may. The fear of God that I, as a Christian, have is a reverential awe of God. Not a fear as in afraid of. This definition has been posted previously.

From Merriam-Webster's Dictionary:

Main Entry: 1fear
Pronunciation: 'fir
Function: verb
transitive senses

1 archaic : FRIGHTEN

2 archaic : to feel fear in (oneself)

3 : to have a reverential awe of <fear God>

4 : to be afraid of : expect with alarm
intransitive senses : to be afraid or apprehensive
- fear·er noun

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neologist wrote:

Perhaps my original thought expressed it best: Superstition is unaffected by evidence. True faith is a process of learning.

Either you have a very liberal definition of 'evidence', or you have evidence of the divine you have been holding out on us.
Just for the record, are young earth creationists 'faithful' or 'superstitious' by your standards? Surely you will admit that particular belief flys in the face of all evidence.

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As your signature asserts. "Test everything."

But when you say "Believe nothing", do you really believe that?

Yes, it is a principle I strive to apply to my life, and it is much harder than one may think. It is my opinion that once a belief sets in, one becomes willing to fight for it and defend it at all costs, even if that cost is aquiring knowledge that is more accurate. To me this implies intellectual stagnation.
I strive to instead never cement my opinions, which can change like the wind, into beliefs. As a result, I am rather opinionated, but I will change an opinion at the drop of a that if it means growing intellectually.
I consider it a victory when an opinion is changed.

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BTW, who the heck is Mr. Anderson?

"Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability."
- Agent Smith, 'The Matrix'

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Intrepid wrote:

Superstition is based on fear
Faith is based on hope

So the god fearing are superstitious, while those that carry lucky rabbits feet(hoping of course, that it will bring them luck) are faithful.
Thanks for the clarification!

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The definition of the clarification is your own.. Doktor S. As usual, you take someone's words and put your own meaning to them.

You really are a piece of work.

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Momma Angel wrote:

yitwail,

Let me jump in here, if I may. The fear of God that I, as a Christian, have is a reverential awe of God. Not a fear as in afraid of. This definition has been posted previously.

From Merriam-Webster's Dictionary:

Main Entry: 1fear
Pronunciation: 'fir
Function: verb
transitive senses

1 archaic : FRIGHTEN

2 archaic : to feel fear in (oneself)

3 : to have a reverential awe of <fear God>

4 : to be afraid of : expect with alarm
intransitive senses : to be afraid or apprehensive
- fear·er noun

In the definition of superstition, does it specify a specific type of fear, or are you adding that distinction because it suites you?
No, don't answer that, it was rhetorical.
Why can't a superstition involve that same type of fear, reverential awe, like maybe a belief in aliens would?
Both 'fear' and 'hope' can be applied to both things commonly thought of as superstitions and of things normally though of as faith, as I have shown.

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Doktor S,

You strive to believe in nothing? Not even yourself? Not your friends? Not your family? Not in science?

Intrepid,

I am not positive (I'd have to look) but I think Doktor S called me a piece of wrok once. You think that's the same thing?

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Intrepid wrote:

The definition of the clarification is your own.. Doktor S. As usual, you take someone's words and put your own meaning to them.

You really are a piece of work.

And by 'my own meaning' of course you mean strip away the esoteric fuzz and bring into the light of logic and reason (where they generally quickly dissolve into whisps of fallacious nothingness)

But seriously, how are dictionary definitions 'my own meaning'?
How is hope not involved in the superstition I gave as an example?
I may be a piece of work, but unlike you I am one that knows how to think.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Doktor S,

You strive to believe in nothing? Not even yourself? Not your friends? Not your family? Not in science?

Intrepid,

I am not positive (I'd have to look) but I think Doktor S called me a piece of wrok once. You think that's the same thing?

You seemed to have missed my point entirely.
Oh well.

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Doktor S Wrote:

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In the definition of superstition, does it specify a specific type of fear, or are you adding that distinction because it suites you?
No, don't answer that, it was rhetorical.
Why can't a superstition involve that same type of fear, reverential awe, like maybe a belief in aliens would?
Both 'fear' and 'hope' can be applied to both things commonly thought of as superstitions and of things normally though of as faith, as I have shown.

This is an easy one, Dok! I'd be scared to bloody death if I ever ran into an alien!

Nope, sorry. Might work for your definition, life, etc., but it doesn't fly in mine.

I have NO fear whatsoever of God. He loves me. I love Him. He wants only what is good and right for me. So, fear?! Ha!

Yitwail,

Let me read that verse and the story that goes with it. Will get back to ya!

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Doktor S,

Ok, let me rephrase. You said believe nothing (my bad. Thought you meant in nothing.)

So, you don't believe yourself You don't believe your friends You don't believe science You don't believe the dictionary

Or aren't they part of the nothing you don't believe?

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This is an easy one, Dok! I'd be scared to bloody death if I ever ran into an alien!

Nope, sorry. Might work for your definition, life, etc., but it doesn't fly in mine.

I have NO fear whatsoever of God. He loves me. I love Him. He wants only what is good and right for me. So, fear?! Ha!

So you have no 'reverential awe' of god?
And what YOU would do or feel in a specific situation is of no relevance whatsoever. What of the alien believer that has no fear of aliens whatsoever, but believes them benevolant saviors of mankind and believes with all his heart aliens are REAL.
Is this man faithful or superstitious?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Doktor S,

Ok, let me rephrase. You said believe nothing (my bad. Thought you meant in nothing.)

So, you don't believe yourself You don't believe your friends You don't believe science You don't believe the dictionary

Or aren't they part of the nothing you don't believe?

Explain to me why my signature line is relevant to this conversation, and then I may start adressing questions about it.
I answered Neo that quick one cause..well..I like Neo.

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Doktor S wrote:

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This is an easy one, Dok! I'd be scared to bloody death if I ever ran into an alien!

Nope, sorry. Might work for your definition, life, etc., but it doesn't fly in mine.

I have NO fear whatsoever of God. He loves me. I love Him. He wants only what is good and right for me. So, fear?! Ha!

So you have no 'reverential awe' of god?
And what YOU would do or feel in a specific situation is of no relevance whatsoever. What of the alien believer that has no fear of aliens whatsoever, but believes them benevolant saviors of mankind and believes with all his heart aliens are REAL.
Is this man faithful or superstitious?

There ya go again! Twisting words. Ok, let me make this perfectly clear.

I am scared to bloody death of aliens (fear them!)
I have a reverential awe of God (fear God).

I don't know where it says in the dictionary that you can only use one of the definitions given for a word. I am pretty sure those different definitions are there because there are more than one definition. OMG! What a concept!

Who am I to tell anyone what they believe is superstition to them or not? I know what is superstition to me. I know what faith is to me. Two totally different things.

Well, it seems to me that most who use what they use for a signature line reflects something they believe or at the very least support the idea of. Therefore, the assumption it means something to you. :wink:

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yitwail wrote:

intrepid, isn't "fear of God" an important aspect of Christianity?

God fear and fear of God are two different things. I see that Momma Angel has replied with a reasonable explanation so I won't go further.

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Doktor S wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
yitwail,

Let me jump in here, if I may. The fear of God that I, as a Christian, have is a reverential awe of God. Not a fear as in afraid of. This definition has been posted previously.

From Merriam-Webster's Dictionary:

Main Entry: 1fear
Pronunciation: 'fir
Function: verb
transitive senses

1 archaic : FRIGHTEN

2 archaic : to feel fear in (oneself)

3 : to have a reverential awe of <fear God>

4 : to be afraid of : expect with alarm
intransitive senses : to be afraid or apprehensive
- fear·er noun

In the definition of superstition, does it specify a specific type of fear, or are you adding that distinction because it suites you?
No, don't answer that, it was rhetorical.
Why can't a superstition involve that same type of fear, reverential awe, like maybe a belief in aliens would?
Both 'fear' and 'hope' can be applied to both things commonly thought of as superstitions and of things normally though of as faith, as I have shown.

Give some specific examples

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There ya go again! Twisting words. Ok, let me make this perfectly clear

I didn't twist anything MA, the twist happened somewhere between your eyes ,your brain, and your fingers when responding to this...

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I am scared to bloody death of aliens (fear them!)
I have a reverential awe of God (fear God).

I don't know where it says in the dictionary that you can only use one of the definitions given for a word. I am pretty sure those different definitions are there because there are more than one definition. OMG! What a concept!

What the hell? That's what I've been saying all along! That there are multiple definitions of fear was my point...geezus...
You have been riding on a distinction between superstition and faith based on fear/nofear respectively, based off a dictionary reference
I have shown that there are multiple types of fear, and that reference in the word superstition could also apply to 'reverential awe', which shoots that distinction to **** if you want to apply it to a belief in god and end up faithful yet not superstitious..
And even were it to stand, you haven't distinguished "your'" belief from 'other' non-fear based beliefs, as the alien example in my last post.

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Who am I to tell anyone what they believe is superstition to them or not? I know what is superstition to me. I know what faith is to me. Two totally different things.

Two things you seem unable to distinguish between with words. Pity.

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Well, it seems to me that most who use what they use for a signature line reflects something they believe or at the very least support the idea of. Therefore, the assumption it means something to you.

The fact that I already explained it to Neo must have made you 'assumption' a little easier, eh?
Regardless, it isn't relevant, and I don't wish to engage your tendency to wander

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Momma Angel wrote:

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Intrepid,

I am not positive (I'd have to look) but I think Doktor S called me a piece of wrok once. You think that's the same thing?

Not likely. Wrok is probably some satanic word or something.

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Give some specific examples

I already have. The rabbits foot example.

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