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Setanta wrote:

Do you ever "P45?"

Did a quickie search & I think I found what you might be referring to. I'll give a whirl around it, thanks for hint.

Is this the "place" you mentioned in another post, recently?

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Probably . . . here's the link:

P45--Wasting time at work . . .

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Thanks - will check it out.

Gotta go - pub is calling.
Slán go fóill!

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I no longer take strong drink, so i'll wish you well and safely home at the end of your modest revels.

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When does one hear the calls from a pub? I've never had the pleasure.

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Setanta wrote:

Without either endorsing or rejecting C.I.'s position, i'd say it's pretty damned obvious why he posted it, but you folks are playing dumb because it is a refutation of a key part of your thesis. He's pointing out that the god of the old testament wanted to see real fear in the hearts and minds of his adherents.

Speaking for myself only, not for other Christians or theists on the thread, I have no problem with the idea of the fear of God.

In the same way that I am careful how I drive in front of a policeman for fear[/u] of getting a ticket (not an overwhelming, paralyzing fright[/u], but a deep respect for the position he holds[/u] is what this word describes) , I am to fear God and not sin in front of Him (yes, this would refer to anywhere and everywhere since He is omnipresent) because He does punish sin.

There is not a problem with God punishing sin as far as I am concerned. God who made us has a right to us as the potter does with the clay.

Since Man has been given a free will, the ball is really in our court.

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real life wrote:

Since Man has been given a free will, the ball is really in our court.

Care to debate that in the FREE WILL thread, sir?

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Gee, I drive in front of the police quite often, but "fear" never enters my mind. It's prolly because I'm a careful driver. Driving safely is for self-preservation (because most fatal car accidents happen close to home) and to keep my car insurance low (no ticket means less cost).

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That's interesting that real fears cops. A guilty mind will do that to a person.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

That's interesting that real fears cops. A guilty mind will do that to a person.

Oh please, don't tell me you've never tapped the brake when you saw a policeman and double checked to make sure you weren't speeding, made sure to use your turn signal, weren't careful not to cut across the lanes too quickly, etc. Very Happy

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echi wrote:

real life wrote:
Since Man has been given a free will, the ball is really in our court.

Care to debate that in the FREE WILL thread, sir?

Sorry to say, last time (actually the only time) I visited that thread it just didn't catch me, so to speak. But I'll try it again.

I think it probably is a subject that will appear in several different threads because the current talking points of some of the players here seem to include trying to misrepresent what fear of God means in a number of different threads all at once, and the free will argument is the natural response to that.

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I like that; free will with fear.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I like that; free will with fear.

Let's twist Real Life's words around just a bit more, shall we?

How did you get free will with fear out of that? Honestly, C.I., you don't understand the difference or you just disagree with it?

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Hi Momma Angel,

Good to hear from you. Hope you are doing well.

Don't worry about it, CI just likes to tease and prod. I don't take him too seriously. Cool

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real life, I like you already! Don't take yourself too seriously; that's good advise for all. You know, people reap what the sow.

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real life wrote:

Hi Momma Angel,

Good to hear from you. Hope you are doing well.

Don't worry about it, CI just likes to tease and prod. I don't take him too seriously.

Good to hear from you! I'm doing very well, thanx for asking.

C.I. seems to be avoiding me actually. I have challenged him on something he said about me and he is ignoring me.

He doesn't take it too well when someone puts HIS OWN WORDS smack dab in his face and they show him he is wrong. None of us like that. Difference is, I think most people will admit it apologize and go on from there. :wink:

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cicerone imposter wrote:

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real life, I like you already! Don't take yourself too seriously; that's good advise for all. You know, people reap what the sow.

You mean unless it is you? How about reaping a little bit of what you sowed (YOUR WORDS) and answer my challenge then? :wink:

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cicerone imposter wrote:

real life, I like you already! Don't take yourself too seriously; that's good advise for all. You know, people reap what the sow.

Nah, I'm just a harmless little fuzzball. And I have fun talking with you CI.

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Setanta wrote:

Without either endorsing or rejecting C.I.'s position, i'd say it's pretty damned obvious why he posted it, but you folks are playing dumb because it is a refutation of a key part of your thesis. He's pointing out that the god of the old testament wanted to see real fear in the hearts and minds of his adherents.

I see it the same way. He is attempting to point out that the OT God and, by extension, God himself is not satisfied unless buttocks quake.

Attempting.

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MA says that Jesus and the Father (God) are one so the Old Testament and the New Testament should agree as Jesus is also the Father yet the Son denies the Father's words (the Old Testament). Either the Son and the Father are not One or either the Old Testament is false or the New Testament is false.

If God is Eternal the Old Testament should be Eternal Testament why become Old and be revised with the New Testament? It comes down to God not capable of Eternal Testament. Jesus can't be God as he failed to give his testament first and make it the Eternal Testament.

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