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The Abramoff scandal investigation

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 03:52 pm
mysteryman wrote:
We didnt have to declare war on Germany.
They were no threat to us at all.They could not reach us militarily,except with submarines.
Those subs could not hurt us or our way of life.


They declared war on us. Just because you're embroiled in a political discussion which frustrates you is no excuse for making sh!t up.

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So,we went to war with Germany because FDR wanted to,nothing more.


You just love to hate a Democrat, don't ya? See the remark above.

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South Korea had its own military,and the UN was there to "protect" it.
Why did we have to waste so many American troops when the UN was there?
I thought the UN was the end-all,be-all for the world.


No, the United Nations did not show up until long after the war had begun. Once again, you just make sh!t up because you're hot under the collar, but don't know the answers. You get mad, you make sh!t up--end of story.

Go to the library and read some real history sometime. Do a thorough job--we'll give fifteen or twenty years, because it's obvious that you're way behind.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 03:57 pm
Like the time Satana became irked at me and made up a bunch of crap about an avatar I used.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:00 pm
W(h)ell - either McG and MM are tycloons of history and thousand others (including the US-archives and the Library of Congress etc) are wrong or Set is correct.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:04 pm
I never doubt Satana when it comes to history. It's his other garbage I take umbrage with.

Out of curiosity, how did I get drawn into your statement Walt?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:10 pm
McGentrix wrote:
I never doubt Satana when it comes to history. It's his other garbage I take umbrage with.

Out of curiosity, how did I get drawn into your statement Walt?


You were just the next and closest :wink:

Sorry that I included you incorrectly.


McGentrix wrote:
I never doubt Satana when it comes to history.


I'm really quite upset, when basic historical knowledge is completely ignored. Even here in Germany, we learn the pure facts about the Korea war in school (twice, if you finish grammar school) - I'm sure, it's done better in the USA, since it is kind of American history.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:12 pm
Guess again, sheesh!

If I wasn't a history major in college(I'm 26), I never would have learned a damn thing about the Korean war in school. Just the basics, and what I saw on M.A.S.H. growing up. You really don't realize how poor the schooling is here, WH.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:15 pm
Is and getting worse every year.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:18 pm
Huh? When you study history here - and I can testify that from the actual situation today (well, a couple of years ago) and from the 70's, basic knowledge is necessary - we don't learn history but study it. :wink:
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slkshock7
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:33 pm
blatham wrote:
slkshock7 wrote:
Capitaleye wrote:
In more Abramoff-related news, two Senators have announced that they will return more than $217,000 in contributions linked to the infamous lobbyist, The New York Times reported. The Senators, Conrad Burns, (R-Mont.) and Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) made clear that they are attempting to distance themselves from Abramoff and have called on other members to return the contributions. Political strategists, working on behalf of possible challengers for the 2006 mid-term Congressional elections have made it publicly known that they will publicize Abramoff contributions in races where they are attempted to oust the incumbent. "This is an important step that all public officials should take in order to renew the faith" of voters, Burns told the Times. Of the top 25 Congressional recipients of political money linked to Abramoff, 19 are Republican and six are Democrats. Burns is returning $150,000 in contributions linked to Abramoff, including money he received from American Indian clients. Since 1999, he has received $49,590 from Abramoff's tribal clients. Dorgan, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, is returning $67,000. In October, Sen. Jim Talent (R-Mo.) became one of the first lawmakers to return Abramoff contributions.


http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=195

Other news sources have reported other democrats offering their abramhoff-tainted money to charity. So can someone please explain to me why Dorgan and other Dems are suddenly returning and/or donating large chunks of money to charity?


If that is a serious question, the serious answer is that they are seeking to escape the taint of Abramoff's money. True for dems and republicans both.

But I'm guessing you are suggesting that Abramoff is, as President Bush deceitfully claimed, an equal money dispenser and so no particular or unique taint ought rightfully to be placed on the republican party. But Abramoff was not an equal money dispenser. And more to the point, that isn't the key issue in any case, which is why DeLay was pushed out by his own party last week and it's why the Republicans have now moved into damage control mode.


No...my question was largely rhetorical to quiet down the many folks that claim this is ONLY a republican scandal...and no Dems received dollars from Abramhoff like Kos and Howard Dean are saying.(Source. Clearly dems are involved and returning money to attempt to avoid the taint.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:38 pm
May the Good Dog protect us . . .

Dog, why can't McWhitey spell my name correctly . . .


Never mind, Dog bless thee, McWhitey . . .


Ahem . . .
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:40 pm
slk, Where have you been all this time? Most of us agree that it doesn't matter which party the Justiice Department finds guilty of crimes; they all belong in prison.

How often does this need to be repeated before it sinks in?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:42 pm
Get thee behind me, Satana: thou art an offence unto me.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:44 pm
1) I don't think anyone has said it is ONLY a republican scandal -- just that it's preposterous to ignore the fact that there are mostly republicans involved.

2) What Dean said is technically accurate. No Democrats took money directly from Abramoff (links have been posted to the FEC site). The money you mention was donated by Abramoff "associates". I'm not one to parse words because I think the effect is the same, but technically, Dean and others are correct.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:46 pm
Walter, i don't fault you, i know christians have corrupted you . . .


Dog bless thee, Walter . . .


Ho Hum . . .
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:49 pm
FreeDuck, It doesn't matter how the process was done; if any are guilty of a crime, they belong in prison. I hope to live to see the day that happens.
If found guilty of crimes, no leniency.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:51 pm
Setanta wrote:
Walter, i don't fault you, i know christians have corrupted you . . .


Three Pater Noster and six Ave Maria for you, Set. (That's impair due to the predominance of females who bribed me.)
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 04:54 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
FreeDuck, It doesn't matter how the process was done; if any are guilty of a crime, they belong in prison. I hope to live to see the day that happens.
If found guilty of crimes, no leniency.


I'm not disagreeing with you, ci, I said the same thing myself. I'm just depriving someone of their gotcha satisfaction.
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slkshock7
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 05:02 pm
Well, I guess Republican congressman can't say they didn't receive money directly from Abramhoff, but my review of the the FEC site (as well as Center for Resp Politics site) show these congressmen only accepted $2000 or less. This is the amount you, I or anyone else can give a Congressman's campaign, so I don't see that this can be construed as illegal by any stretch of the imagination.

For larger amounts found in Republican coffers, seems to me that the Republicans can use the same Democratic word parsing and excuses i.e. those funds were donated by Abramhoff "associates".
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 05:04 pm
All this remains to be seen, doesn't it? There will be a criminal case, if I'm not mistaken...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 05:06 pm
slk, That's all you 'wish' were the facts; the Justice Department investigation will show otherwise - to be sure. With Abramoff's confession and guilty plea, more heads will fly without fail - probably the majority being a republican. If you think otherwise, you're living in la-la land.
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