(Honestly, if 'Steve as 41oo' writes such ... ... and this on the very day of QE's 50th anniversary of her coronation ... ... )
(I'm just an ol' Rock-n-Roller at heart . . . )
Go ! ! ! Go little Queenie, GO ! ! !
Set, you mean Freddie Mercury
Looks more like Garry Glitter, I think.
It's really quite a big issue in the UK:
Quote:
So were we misled? We need a full-scale inquiry
The PM has stretched his credibility to the limit and done serious harm to public trust in government
03 June 2003
In trying to make the case for war, Tony Blair stretched his credibility to the limit and has potentially done serious harm to his own standing and public trust in Government.
INDEPENDENT: Commentary by Charles Kennedy
Story filed: 21:11 Tuesday 20th May 2003
That has been published two weeks ago, Scrat!
Walter Hinteler wrote:Story filed: 21:11 Tuesday 20th May 2003
That has been published two weeks ago, Scrat!
Oh my GOD! It's ancient history!!!!!!
:wink: Actually, I hadn't noticed the by-line. I'll see if I can educate myself on the status of things TODAY.
Scrat said, about the trailers:
Quote: have not seen a single report where anyone has claimed they might be used for anything else. I'd ask you to show me some, since you claim to be aware of them, but I know better...
I heard today that it was possible that the trailers were mobile labs used by the Iraqis to test for the existence of chemical or biological weapon usage in war areas.
Walter said:
Quote:Bigotry is to be attached obstinately and zealously to an opinion that you do not entertain
Kara - Thank you for your input. Normally I would ask you if you might have a link or citation that states this, but I'm a bit gun-shy from being endlessly berated for doing such things (not by you, to be sure!), so I'll take your statement at face value, and respond that I find no report to that extent. Here is a sampling of what I have found:
Quote:U.N. Inspectors Say Iraqi Mobile Labs New to Them
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Agreeing in part with the United States, U.N. weapons inspectors reported on Monday Iraq had not accounted for stocks of anthrax and had failed to declare what appeared to be mobile biological arms labs.
The only alternate use I've read that anyone has suggested is found here:
Quote:The Bioweapons EnigmaNo traces of biological agents have been detected so far in the trailers, and search teams have yet to find the additional trailers that would be needed to convert the slurry produced by these trailers into usable weapons. The technical analysis simply argues that the trailers could be used to produce a biological slurry and that no other plausible use can be identified that would justify the high cost and effort of mobile production. Officials dismiss Iraqi claims that the units were intended to produce hydrogen as an unlikely cover story but acknowledge that trace amounts of aluminum, a residue of hydrogen production, were detected, in amounts they deem too small to be significant.
Frankly, I don't think we know for sure what these trailers are, and I suspect that the administration may be overstating their certitude on this.
Kara - That's fine. I was just using your post as an excuse to vent about the frustrating attitude I've encountered from others here. No worries, at all!
Here's a lovely quote from Donnie that I'd forgotten...
Quote:On March 30 on US television, the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said of the prohibited weapons: "We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/02/1054406134772.html
Every time I read the acronym WOMD, I think of a story.
Two men, well past their first drinks, were sitting at the bar talking earnestly. One said, I think it is W-H-O-O-M-B. The other replied, Oh, no. I am sure it is W-O-O-M. The first man insisted that it was spelt W-H-O-O-M-B.
A gent at a nearby table had been listening to the men for a while, and he felt he had to intervene. He cleared his throat and said, Ahem. My friends, I should not interrupt but I think I have some knowledge about this subject. I am a gynecologist, and I can tell you with authority that it is spelt W-O-M-B.
The two men at the bar looked at each other, smirked, and one turned to the gent at the table and said, "Oh, now, are you really an expert on elephant farts?"
For totn, Talk of the Nation, go to
NPR[/b], and select TOTN from their programming drop-down--in which they usually have at the very least, a summary text. Kara, i have that on every day, but i just wasn't listenin' today--decided to actually do some work.
Scrat
Well done, you did a search. Here's another...
Quote:President George W. Bush may be convinced that two trailers found in Iraq were used as biological weapons labs, but the evidence is far from definitive. Referring to the two trailers in an interview with Polish television before he departed for Europe last week, Bush said the United States had found weapons of mass destruction and banned manufacturing devices in Iraq. Reports from the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency support that view, but they are based on inconclusive information.
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Intelligence analysts told reporters last week that the configuration of equipment in the trailers would not work efficiently as a biological production plant, is not a design used by anyone else and would not lead anyone to link the trailers intuitively with biological weapons. The intelligence officials took all that as a sign that the Iraqis were ingeniously clever in trying to hide the true nature of what they were doing from international inspectors. But the uncertainties leave open the disquieting possibility that the trailers might not be what the intelligence agencies think they are. It seems increasingly imperative, as this page has argued before, to get an authoritative, unbiased assessment from the United Nations or some other independent body.
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Intelligence officials say they are "highly confident" of their conclusions because of what they deem striking similarities between one of the trailers seized last month and a description provided three years ago by an Iraqi chemical engineer who is said to have managed a mobile weapons plant. Unfortunately, it is impossible for outsiders to judge the reliability of this source, whose information was described as "absolutely critical" to concluding that the trailers were biological warfare units.
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No traces of biological agents have been detected so far in the trailers, and search teams have yet to find the additional trailers that would be needed to convert the slurry produced by these trailers into usable weapons. The technical analysis simply argues that the trailers could be used to produce a biological slurry and that no other plausible use can be identified that would justify the high cost and effort of mobile production. Officials dismiss Iraqi claims that the units were intended to produce hydrogen as an unlikely cover story but acknowledge that trace amounts of aluminum, a residue of hydrogen production, were detected, in amounts they deem too small to be significant.
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In an environment in which the administration is under pressure to come up with evidence validating its prime justification for invading Iraq, these judgments are too subjective and conjectural to accept without further corroboration. Unless independent experts are given a chance to examine the trailers and all test results, a skeptical world is not apt to accept the findings. President George W. Bush may be convinced that two trailers found in Iraq were used as biological weapons labs, but the evidence is far from definitive. Referring to the two trailers in an interview with Polish television before he departed for Europe last week, Bush said the United States had found weapons of mass destruction and banned manufacturing devices in Iraq. Reports from the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency support that view, but they are based on inconclusive information.
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Intelligence analysts told reporters last week that the configuration of equipment in the trailers would not work efficiently as a biological production plant, is not a design used by anyone else and would not lead anyone to link the trailers intuitively with biological weapons. The intelligence officials took all that as a sign that the Iraqis were ingeniously clever in trying to hide the true nature of what they were doing from international inspectors. But the uncertainties leave open the disquieting possibility that the trailers might not be what the intelligence agencies think they are. It seems increasingly imperative, as this page has argued before, to get an authoritative, unbiased assessment from the United Nations or some other independent body.
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Intelligence officials say they are "highly confident" of their conclusions because of what they deem striking similarities between one of the trailers seized last month and a description provided three years ago by an Iraqi chemical engineer who is said to have managed a mobile weapons plant. Unfortunately, it is impossible for outsiders to judge the reliability of this source, whose information was described as "absolutely critical" to concluding that the trailers were biological warfare units.
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No traces of biological agents have been detected so far in the trailers, and search teams have yet to find the additional trailers that would be needed to convert the slurry produced by these trailers into usable weapons. The technical analysis simply argues that the trailers could be used to produce a biological slurry and that no other plausible use can be identified that would justify the high cost and effort of mobile production. Officials dismiss Iraqi claims that the units were intended to produce hydrogen as an unlikely cover story but acknowledge that trace amounts of aluminum, a residue of hydrogen production, were detected, in amounts they deem too small to be significant.
.
In an environment in which the administration is under pressure to come up with evidence validating its prime justification for invading Iraq, these judgments are too subjective and conjectural to accept without further corroboration. Unless independent experts are given a chance to examine the trailers and all test results, a skeptical world is not apt to accept the findings. President George W. Bush may be convinced that two trailers found in Iraq were used as biological weapons labs, but the evidence is far from definitive. Referring to the two trailers in an interview with Polish television before he departed for Europe last week, Bush said the United States had found weapons of mass destruction and banned manufacturing devices in Iraq. Reports from the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency support that view, but they are based on inconclusive information.
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Intelligence analysts told reporters last week that the configuration of equipment in the trailers would not work efficiently as a biological production plant, is not a design used by anyone else and would not lead anyone to link the trailers intuitively with biological weapons. The intelligence officials took all that as a sign that the Iraqis were ingeniously clever in trying to hide the true nature of what they were doing from international inspectors. But the uncertainties leave open the disquieting possibility that the trailers might not be what the intelligence agencies think they are. It seems increasingly imperative, as this page has argued before, to get an authoritative, unbiased assessment from the United Nations or some other independent body.
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Intelligence officials say they are "highly confident" of their conclusions because of what they deem striking similarities between one of the trailers seized last month and a description provided three years ago by an Iraqi chemical engineer who is said to have managed a mobile weapons plant. Unfortunately, it is impossible for outsiders to judge the reliability of this source, whose information was described as "absolutely critical" to concluding that the trailers were biological warfare units.
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No traces of biological agents have been detected so far in the trailers, and search teams have yet to find the additional...
http://www.iht.com/articles/98195.html
ps... and let's not forget the cute little fact that such 'experts' and 'authorities' who are investigating the trailers are in the employ of the US government.
I keep wondering why the US won't allow Hans and his inspectors back into Iraq? c.i.
perhaps der Bush mispeakes hisself