James
Quote:We do seem to differ, however, as to whether it matters which state is the main reason for the UN's ineffectiveness. You seem to say the U.S. is the transgressor entirely or mostly to blame.
No. I'm saying that it is IMPOSSIBLE to establish a supra-national regimen of over-arching laws and processes where the most powerful nation refuses to accept the constraints that accompany such community membership. It is a logical point. This alone precludes an effective UN or comparable body.
Quote:I state that there has been and will continue to be a linneage of transgressors that trample UN hopes. The specific nation seems of little consequence. Given the U.S. invading Iraq, U.S.S.R. invading Afghanistan, or China invading Tibet, the U.N. still appears ineffective in the prevention of these types of actions.
War is not at all the key issue here, though it is advanced by this present administration (and by yourself) as such. The US refuses the possibility of allowing itself and it's citizens/representatives to be judged by the ICC, yet wishes to be allowed to use that body to prosecute others. It refused to fall under the constraints of the Kyoto accord, and one is hard pressed to imagine any such accord which this administration will sign on to, wishing instead to steer a course governed by it's own self interest.
Quote:Perhaps our differences are philosophical where you are perhaps Jeffersonian, trying to see the innate goodness in mankind and trying to extrapolate this into his institutions. I see myself more Adamsonian (John) finding the innate selfishness of mankind constantly manifested.
The Hobbesian world. How on earth can folks like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld - who have all lived lives of incredible wealth and priviledge, and who are presently protected by many millions of dollars stashed awy from the vagaries of normal life - have even the slightest familiarity the downside of a Hobbesian world? Which is, of course, the side most everyone else will be and is subject to.
But, even under the logic here, it is presumed that the US (like others) will act as a selfish predator. Laws and institutions exist precisely to minimize the consequences of this side of human behavior, and it is these laws and institutions which have served to allow what advancement we have made in social affairs.
Quote:However, the force driving those early colonist to unify was one of a common threat, Europe.
What common enemy would draw all the members of the UN together?
What was that threat from Europe?
It was, as much as anything, the threat of dominance by a state more powerful. That alone should clue the US into a different mindset.
The common enemies will arise. That's guaranteed. Degradation of environment, further (and more serious) epidemics, the natural resentment of those in great poverty towards those in great affluence (particularly where the powerful holds itself apart and above others), the consequences of the social upheavals which the earlier points address, etc. What the US is being so incredibly stupid about is that all of these threats noted above are already here. And terorism didn't arise out of the blue, or from Satan.
A final little irony in all of this. The US is now about to move its forces out of Saudi Arabia. This was Osama's first and most fundamental cause.