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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 03:34 pm
True, but it seems to me the real motor for support came from the House, didn't it? I never trust the goings on there!
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 09:46 pm
what a hoot!

MWO has a series of actual pix from the whitehouse web site showing bush and his staff editing and confering on his state of the union speech. seems he was not merely handed it as he walked up the steps to the podium in congress. bush was totally engaged in the process of the speech writing and its contents were well known to him.

http://www.mediawhoresonline.com/

i laughed my ass off. it's like dna and fingerprint proof, and mother teresa and gandhi as eye witnesses.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 10:47 pm
Kuv

That's the funniest thing I've seen for a long time. Thank you most kindly.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 10:56 pm
kuvasz, Good link. There's an Old Asian saying, "picture worth a thousand words." I wonder if they ever heard the fictional tale of Pinnochio? Seems everybody sees their nose getting bigger except themselves. Wink c.i.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jul, 2003 11:21 pm
Great link, kuvasz. Thanks!
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 01:09 am
Did anyone see Rumsfeld on Sunday morning tv? The angle now is that the claim regarding the uranium had been made by BRITISH sources and that they, the BRITISH, are still sticking to their story. So, even though our CIA has discounted the story and disavowed the sources as forgeries, it ended up in the SOTU address AND Rumsfeld is still claiming there is validity to the tale. Why? Because it fits with his sense of reality. If the CIA can't find the right kind of intelligence, well, we'll trust our brother Brits who apparently know how to find what we are looking for.

See the NYT this am.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 01:38 am
"Of the nine main conclusions in the British government document" says the BBC , " "Iraq's weapons of mass destruction", not one has been shown to be conclusively true."


Another interesting article in today's Guardian:
Agencies hit by row over Iraq weapons
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 03:40 am
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If you can't find it here ..............

http://www.totalnews.com/
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the prince
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 05:43 am
The government of my country does not give me reasons to feel proud of it often, but today is one of those rare occassions !

India rejects request for Iraq troops
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the prince
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 05:47 am
A great analysis by BBC

Core of weapons case crumbling
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 10:30 am
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bs/2003/bs030714.gif
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 10:31 am
Priceless, Boss, absotively high-larious . . .
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 10:33 am
and amazingly accurate
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 10:47 am
Atten - - shun! The general entered the room. Wink c.i.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 10:55 am
Nice avatar, Snood! Can't compete with Lola, of course, but I'd rank you high on the WOW list!

Also glad Ben Sargent has made it into A2K. One of the best. Often in trouble.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 01:56 pm
snood wrote:
Scrat - maybe since you, McG, sofia, Max and only a couple others are the only ones who I perceive as somewhat sympathetic to the conservative side of things, I thought I'd ask you if you see anything suspicious, since to ask those whom I agree with would be a little boring to me.

I suppose I didn't frame the question in a way that was palatable to you, and maybe that seemed like it was laying a trap, or something.

If you can get over my loathesome boorishness, do you think you might bring yourself to addressing the issue I asked about? Maybe if you just pretend you're talking to someone who addresses you with the degree of respect which you require, instead of me, you can overcome my appalling faux pas.

Snood - I was out of town on business last week and barely had a moment to peek in here. Now that I do--and looking at this with a fresh set of eyes--I see that I may have taken your original question the wrong way. I get a lot of crap from certain parties here who love to tell me what my opinion is and then attack that rather than asking my opinion and considering it, so I took your choice to ask me what I thought of something when I hadn't commented on it to be an attempt to imply what my opinion was, rather than a genuine question as to what I thought.

So, I owe you an apology for assuming the worst intentions in your question. Mea culpa. I was being a dick.

That said, let me go back and look at what the question was again... (looking...)
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This, from a Washington Post Editorial by E.J. Dionne:

"The commission investigating 9/11 criticized the administration for failing to respond expeditiously to its requests for documents and testimony. Tom Kean, the Republican chairman of the commission, also charged that the administration's refusal to allow witnesses to be interviewed without "minders" amounted to intimidation. Kean and his Democratic co-chairman, former representative Lee Hamilton, are among the most respected and least partisan figures in American public life. If they are complaining, something is definitely wrong."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40913-2003Jul10.html

Wha'dya say, McGentrix; Scrat? Anything seem wrong there to you?

Well, having paid no attention to this subject at all, I'm not sure my opinion would be of much value, but here it is:

I don't find much but rhetoric in the above. What is an "expeditious" response and who decides how long it should take? Who chose the word "minders"? It's a loaded term. Why would that be "intimidation"? Intimidating to whom, and how so? Who says Kean and Hamilton are "among the most respected and least partisan figures in American public life"? I know nothing of either, so have no reason to assume this is true or is not. Lastly, the statement that "If they are complaining, something is definitely wrong." is absurd.

So, all in all my opinion of the fragment you cited is that it brings up a lot of questions but answers none of them, and seems intended to leave the reader convinced something sinister has occurred or is occurring, without actually offering any evidence that such is the case.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 02:48 pm
INVEST IN INVASION
RE-ELECT GEORGE W BUSH
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 03:08 pm
I RIG WIB
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jul, 2003 07:33 pm
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Uhhh George, it does not look good.......
Intelligence Unglued



By Tom Engelhardt, tomdispatch.com
July 14, 2003

"I will bring honor to the process and honor to the office I seek. I will remind Al Gore that Americans do not want a White House where there is 'no controlling legal authority.' I will repair the broken bonds of trust between Americans and their government."
- George W. Bush, March 7, 2000



Mr. Russert: ...the International Atomic Energy Agency said he does not have a nuclear program; we disagree?

Vice President Cheney: I disagree, yes. And you'll find the CIA, for example, and other key parts of the intelligence community disagree...we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. ElBaradei (Director of the IAEA) frankly is wrong.





http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16398
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2003 08:24 am
The white house strategy to send out the big guns over the weekend to repeat the "it was technically correct, what the president said" strategy isn't working very well. Pity.
Kristof http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/15/opinion/15KRIS.html
(in this piece, Kristof refers to the Veteran Intelligence Professionals For Sanity's press release indicting the white house for twisting and falsifying intelligence for dubious political ends...that release can be found at the link Gel posted immediately above)
Krugman http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/15/opinion/15KRUG.html

and my favorite, from Kinsley http://slate.msn.com/id/2085612/
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Linguists note that the question, "Who lied in George Bush's State of the Union speech" bears a certain resemblance to the famous conundrum, "Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?" They speculate that the two questions may have parallel answers.
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