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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2003 05:56 pm
dys, You bring up a very good point. Geez, what a bummer. c.i.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2003 06:48 pm
I've never been a big fan of Powell's. And, after all, they didn't have to tie 'im up and drug him to make him a member of the Carlyle Cartel. But our next problem may be that Cheney is the one most directly connected to this publicized lie. It wouldn't be a major surprise if he took a pre-election fall, opening the way for.... (your opinion here)...
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jul, 2003 07:19 pm
condoleeeeza
black, female, not afraid to lie
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 12:20 am
Wouldn't be even funnier if Dubya was to tour Dallas in an open limo... None of that going to the voters stuff.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 12:34 am
Yeah, ole Harry B. got shellacked pretty good for daring to blaspheme the holy Powell, too. I was staunchly in his corner for questioning Powell then (I started doubting Powell when he did the public shufflin' about affirmative action, after formerly being so passionately in favor).

I almost barf everytime I look at Coloredeeza Rice.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 08:03 am
Though I think him far too loyal to persons and positions rather than to principles, Powell HAS lifted a contrarian voice, though surely not often enough and not loud enough. Rice has been pretty much a complete coward.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 08:16 am
I think Powell's contrarian voice has been factored in since planning sessions in the Gov's Mansion in Austin, his choice quite deliberate, perhaps even scripted... I always LIKED Powell -- a personable, attractive guy -- until I got a dose of his son, Michael. That finished the Powell family for me...

But Gelis, "Black, Female, Not Afraid to Lie" gets first prize! It's brilliant! I want to see the film! Let's write the film and retire on the megabucks! Snood? Blatham? Are you scriptwriters? So next question, who plays Condi?

(One of my favorite films is Jackie Brown entirely because of Pam Greer, so I'd nominate her, though she's a bit female in her build and perhaps not entirely flat enough for Condi, but wait, I'm designing a binding superwoman costume...)
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 03:03 pm
Powell lost of lot of prestige over his last 6 months in office. Guess anyone can be bought out - wonder what the price was, probably pictures!
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 03:35 pm
Tartarin asks:
So next question, who plays Condi?

Robin Williams (in drag of course)
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 04:50 pm
BillW wrote:
Tartarin/c.i., I heard a report recently of Americans aging bio/chem warhead stockpiles that are leaking in place. In a spot in Alabama they are going to incinerate them in the open without the science to prove if it is healthy or not. geeeeeeees!


You heard wrong. All such stocks were transported to Johnston Atoll in the Pacific and incinerated there . This began in the early 1980s and was completed in the mid '90s. This was done voluntarily and unilaterally by the United States - no treaty was involved.

As for Powell and Rice, have any of you even considered the possibility that each is acting in accord with his/her beliefs? On what basis do some here assume that Colin Powell does not agree with our foreign policy?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 05:05 pm
STOCKPILED CHEMICAL WEAPONS. The United States today has 23,414 tons of
deadly chemical weapons stored in eight places around the United States. The
Army wants to destroy many of these weapons through incineration. Critics
contend that could lead to catastrophe.
*NON-STOCKPILED CHEMICAL WEAPONS. These are our earliest chemical
weapons, mainly mustard gas, dating back to World War I. They were just
buried and forgotten in 224 potential sites across the U.S. and our
territories. Some ended up beneath what later became civilian housing
developments, such as the exclusive Spring Valley neighborhood in Washington
D.C., where they have been digging up backyards and finding mustard gas and
contaminated soil since 1993.
Collateral Damage--Friendly-fire victims of the Cold War; Fifty years of military pollution and bureaucratic inaction are taking their terrible toll.

Investigative report by Tom Callahan
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 05:09 pm
Applause, Dys.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 05:20 pm
Speaking for myself I have a hard time with the thought that there is more than one person on Earth as dead between the ears as GWB.

I promise to give you a more precise answer as soon as Bush comes up with a foreign policy .... that is if he is in office long enough to do so.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 05:35 pm
No, I don't believe he's exactly dead between the ears. I think between his ears he has a kind of pudding made of living cockroaches, malt liquor, Texas tea, and communion wafers. Where he's utterly dead is in the heart ('n' on down thar) and for that I don't hold his parents blameless.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 05:59 pm
That's it! Jorge as the cowardly lion, the scarecrow and the tin man ..... Condoleeeeeeeza as ... who else but Dorothy .... Colin as the wicked witch of the west ..... Cheney as the great and powerful odd .... Rummy as Glenda, good witch of the north ....
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 06:09 pm
Yeah, I agree with Tartar, I'm not worried at all about GWBush's grey matter between the ears. His 'dead' heart is what worries me most. He doesn't understand what's he's done in the name of "security" and "for the American People." c.i.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 06:33 pm
Check out the Cost of War Clock, which comes equipped with pull-down menus comparing the running total for the Iraq war (almost $70 billion as of today) with how else that money could have been used for the nation and individual communities.

People too damn busy to follow the news -- and in this economy, that's my explanation for so many people thinking WMDs were actually found, etc. -- can sure as hell understand:

--hundreds of dead Americans, thousands of dead Iraqis
--both still dying in quantity, Iraqi hostility growing
--the main rationale now plainly a lie
--no plan for the promised democracy
--real terrorism ignored, Al-Qaeda regrouping, America still unprepared...

and all for just $70 billion, plus another quarter-million a minute which will eventually come out of our Social Security, Medicare, education, and other public services.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2003 07:15 pm
Dyslexia,

You should check some other sources. The Army does have thousands of tons of convention ammunitions stored around the country that are no longer useful and some of which present an environmental chemical hazard. Most are artillery shells and rocket motors long past their shelf life. None are chemical weapons per se. They were destroyed at Johnston Atoll as I described.

I grew up in Spring Valley in Washington and our family home is still there. What was discovered was an undocumented WWI chemical weapons test site. A number of unexploded cannisters have been found and about 12 new homes were purchased by the Army and levelled to facilitate the environmental cleanup. My company even did a large part of the job. However the total chemical inventory found there was less than one hundred pounds. Hardly a significant weapons cache.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2003 11:24 am
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=usa&q=alabama+chemical+weapons

Check your sources georgeob that link is 54 current articles, admittedly, some about the same story but is definitely disqualifies "None are chemical weapons."

The quote said nothing about Spring Valley being " Hardly a significant weapons cache." Finally, it matters not what the size is, if it is in my backyard - it is significant!!!!!!!!!
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2003 07:08 pm
a
Would someone please buy this guy a big bag of pretzels ....


IN THE SOUTHERN CITY of Cape Town, a high barbed-wire fence sprang up outside the U.S. Consulate to contain a small but noisy group opposed to the visit and U.S. action in Iraq. The protesters waved cowboy-style "Wanted" placards of Bush and others stating: "IRAQ IS BUSH'S VIETNAM.

"Bush does Africa
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