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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 09:15 am
That's even scarier, and we're aware of that too! c.i.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 10:47 am
Steve says:

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The Americans are too stupid for their empire to last more than a few years. You need more than brute force and fast food to build empire. Has anyone in the American administration ever uttered the phrase "enlightened self interest"?


The regime is too busy uttering the phrase "manifest destiny".
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 01:04 pm
Just in case Bush-leaguers are too quick to proclaim success in Iraq. c.i.
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"The continued disaffection with America's grand project for the Middle East is striking in its contrast with attitudes in the US, where it is generally believed that the reconstruction in Iraq is proceeding well. Although 60% of Pakistanis and 85% of Palestinians persist in believing that Iraqis were better off under Saddam, relief that he has been toppled does not translate into an endorsement of America's reconstruction programme. Only in the US do a majority of people -- 59% -- believe that America is serving the Iraqis well. Even Israelis are sceptical, with 60% of those surveyed saying America and its allies are doing a bad job in Iraq."

-- The Guardian (4 June 2003)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,969765,00.html


"With its 140,000-odd troops on the ground in Iraq, America is particularly vulnerable to what Pentagon strategists describe as 'asymmetric warfare' -- typically terrorist attacks that do not rely on technology to find their target. Iraq is now a country awash with arms, from pistols to rocket-launchers. The Americans, used to their constitutional right to bear arms, have allowed citizens to retain guns as long as they are kept at home. An amnesty for surplus weapons has so far yielded little. With so many arms remaining at large, it is hardly surprising that American
soldiers do not feel at ease policing Iraq."

-- The Economist Global Agenda (13 June 2003)
http://www.economist.com/agenda/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1855122
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 01:25 pm
blatham wrote:


George...you're a good guy, thus I can't compare you to Brian Mulroney, villified Irish-Canadian ex Prime Minister other than in the etiology and consequences of Mad Potato Disease.


Waddya mean? Mulroney was the last Canadian Premier I liked!

Mad Potato, by the way is fatal only to Ukranians.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 01:53 pm
"Only in the US do a majority of people -- 59% -- believe that America is serving the Iraqis well."

Gee, Guardian, you mean NOT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WANTS TO BE AN AMERICAN? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 03:58 pm
Summary of advice for Bush after tonight's poll

Keep Sharon under control
Travel more
Get back to working with international bodies

etc etc.

And from neo-con Kagan "pay no attention to polls".
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 04:45 pm
C.I., doing a bad job in Iraq is hardly convincing--in order to do a bad job, we'd have to be doing something in the first place. I heard an interview of a Brit diplomat today (forgot the name, the U.N. boy) who describe the Office of Reconstruction as the most chaotic organization he has ever seen.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 05:06 pm
Set,

That's what i mean, you don't do Empire, except that you keep acquiring bits of territory that amount to quite a large er "US sphere of influence". Better to leave it to us who have some real experience of teaching those uncouth primitives what the rule of law, steam engines and the electric telegraph can do for their country. You know we ruled India (400 million) with only a few thousand administrators, something much admired by Adolf Hitler.

How did Britain come to gain an Empire of 1/4 of the world on which the sun never set? Don't know. But it all went in less than 100 years, and I think the American Empire although bigger, will collapse even quicker.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 05:08 pm
Well, i certainly hope so, i've got better things to do . . . this seems like a good time to move to Canadia . . .
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 05:09 pm
Must add to the above that the British might have had an Empire on which the sun never set, but that according to the Scots is because God never trusted an Englishman in the dark.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 05:11 pm
Move over, Setanta. I'm on my way in the same direction.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 05:11 pm
But Canada is getting more expensive for us Yanks, because of the deval of the dollar. c.i.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 05:11 pm
Yeah, but food is cheaper, so i'll be a happy man . . .
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 05:15 pm
Set, you becoming a Cnajn? Acknowledging our own dear Queen Elizabeth as Head of State, Empress of India, Defender of the faith, Honi quot qui mal y pense etc etc.

Welcome aboard old Chap this calls for a celebration, cup of tea anyone?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 06:52 pm
With a spot of milk. Wink c.i.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2003 07:01 pm
I said i'd move there, not abandon my citizenship . . . ah, i'd prefer some coffee, effen ye dont' mind--although i'm sure we could both agree to some bangers and mash . . .
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2003 06:36 am
a
Gun point dermocracy
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the prince
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2003 06:41 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
....Empress of India....


No longer mate, no longer
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2003 09:22 am
george

Fatalities from Mad Potato Disease aren't the problem. It's those of you, the Irish, who survive and linger on in a shadow land of weird religious icons and policemen's billys and warm beer and loans payable Tuesday.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2003 10:00 am
Re: a
Gelisgesti wrote:


Winning their hearts and minds, one corpse at a time . . .
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