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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 07:21 pm
nimh

Well...I'm now working on a rewrite of the Membership Agreement and a clause like the one I suggested above will soon find a happy home. So you might as well start applying it now, along with another that's in the works where all responses to my posts are prefaced with "Brilliant!".
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 07:38 pm
Setanta wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
I was dead wrong and I was loud about it.


George is saying that he was dead wrong, and that when he was wrong, he was loudly wrong. What's the matter Habibi, wasn't he contrite enough for you. You can't read an admission on his part of having been wrong in that? I begin to wonder just how poor your reading skills are . . .


My bad - yes, my "reading skills" are to blame here, my skills of reading English, in any case.

I thought George here said that he'd already been loud about having been dead wrong, so I took him up on that, cause he hadnt. I now see my reading mistake. My sincere apologies to you, george.

And Joe, I didnt take this up with george to defend you or anything, so whether you'd already told him to fugedaboutit or not really didnt even figure (no offence) ... I took it up because of something else entirely. Which goes back to that cjhsa quote I already mentioned.

Its something about ... yeh, about how those who are now loudest in proclaiming the war was justified because of how Saddam treated the Iraqis (Kurdish and otherwise), are often the same people who didnt give a toss about those Kurds earlier, when the bad things were really happening to them - as evidenced in their lack of knowledge about the specifics. Now I dont know if that applies to george, at all! But that was the background of why I picked up on it. It makes me angry. And anger's always a good one to cause mental numbness! ;-)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 07:40 pm
Nobly spoken . . . please forgive any nastiness coming through with my comment on your reading skills . . .
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 07:44 pm
Rather than get angry, though I do at times with the resultant numbdumbness, I try to be factual, it bugs the **** out of the self-righteous sobs every time. Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 07:47 pm
blatham wrote:
Well...I'm now working on a rewrite of the Membership Agreement and a clause like the one I suggested above will soon find a happy home. So you might as well start applying it now, along with another that's in the works where all responses to my posts are prefaced with "Brilliant!".


OK, err - "Brilliant!"

<giggles>
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 07:51 pm
a little song,
a little dance,
a little seltzer,
down your pants.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 08:28 pm
(Reuters) - France's defense minister took a double swipe at the United States on Saturday, accusing her counterpart Donald Rumsfeld of American supremacism and U.S. industry of waging "economic war" on Europe. Michele Alliot-Marie's remarks, in a newspaper interview, were the bluntest criticism of Washington by a French official since presidents Jacques Chirac and George W. Bush skirted around their differences on Iraq at a summit two weeks ago. "Rumsfeld believes the United States is the only military, economic and financial power in the world. We do not share this vision," Alliot-Marie told Le Monde newspaper in an interview published on Saturday
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 08:52 pm
Oh NO ! ! !

Them damned French--there they go again, tryin' to think fer themselves . . . who told them they could do that ? ! ? ! ?

Why, i oughta . . . .
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 09:13 pm
"Freedom fries"....of all the zero-brain lunacy that has gone down over the last year or so, that one tops it for me.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 09:15 pm
Joe - Chalabi was interviewed on the PBS newshour last week, and sounded very much alive. I guess a lot of the INC had been giving the Rumsfeld crew all the information they wanted to hear, and which was believed even though most of them (the Iraqi exiles) had not been in Iraq for over forty years. And Chalabi had great ambitions - and was encouraged by the war crew. They did fly him to Iraq and helped him set up headquarters. And after all Chalabi's good work they dumped him. So there's more sides than one to this story. And Chalabi sounded far more statemanlike than some of the others speaking out lately. I could never understand why he was considered so prime, but then, of course, the US was talking about the Iraqis running their own country. Chalabi takes a dim view of the near future.

Setanta - among the "French" stuff we're throwing out, I haven't seen a mention of french vanilla ice cream. Although Rumsfeld's always been rude (some call it talking tough)), doesn't he seem on an edge now? Maybe it's him, and not just policy.
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Kara
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 09:33 pm
blatham wrote:

Quote:
"Freedom fries"....of all the zero-brain lunacy that has gone down over the last year or so, that one tops it for me.


Yep, blatham. Especially as they did not do away with the menu.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 09:49 pm
Kara

Yes...I suppose they just didn't realize, or they would have gone over to 'food thingey'.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 09:55 pm
I heard that the International Air Show being held in Paris was a bust this year. Apparently, none of the US manufacturers cared to participate because it was being held in France. I guess maybe it's not just the government.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 09:57 pm
McG

The American weapons giants and the US government...now there's a distinction!
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 10:16 pm
I just want to recommend this site to all... the Carnagie Endowment for Peace...
http://www.ceip.org/files/Iraq/index.htm
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 10:26 pm
Here's a dilly from The Defence Planning Guide of 92, the Wolfowitz document...
Quote:
"Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power. These regions include Western Europe, East Asia, the territory of the former Soviet Union, and Southwest Asia.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 10:29 pm
I keep waitin' fer the clods to throw out their Bic pens and lighters . . . i'm still waiting . . .
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2003 01:35 am
McGentrix wrote:
I heard that the International Air Show being held in Paris was a bust this year. Apparently, none of the US manufacturers cared to participate because it was being held in France. I guess maybe it's not just the government.


Quote:
LE BOURGET, 14.06.03, France (swissinfo/Reuters) - The 45th Paris Air Show has kicked off without the presence of a single top executive from a leading
U.S. defence contractor.

Lockheed Martin, the world's top arms maker, confirmed last week that its Chairman and Chief Executive Vance Coffman had pulled out of
the show, citing scheduling conflicts.

Coffman had been the only CEO of a top U.S. aerospace or defence firm planning to attend the show, the world's leading gathering for
aerospace executives, military brass and flying fans.

Lingering U.S. resentment over France's staunch opposition to the war in Iraq has led the U.S. Defense Department to scale back sharply
on its participation and, according to Washington insiders, put pressure on U.S. companies not to attend.

U.S. exhibitors will total 183, down from 350 at the last Paris show in 2001.

This year's event, which starts this weekend and runs until June 22, comes amid a sharp downturn in demand for air travel which has sent
some leading U.S. airlines into bankruptcy and forced the top jet makers to scale back production.

Still, several large contracts are expected to be announced over the course of the next week, including an order for about 60 aircraft from
Dubai-based Emirates on Monday, expected to be split between European jet maker Airbus and its U.S. rival Boeing and to include a
purchase of Airbus A380 superjumbos.

Qatar Airways is seen buying about 30 planes from both manufacturers and Thai Airways could finalise plans to buy eight A340 Airbus
wide-body jets.

But those contracts are unlikely to herald a renaissance in aircraft demand, with most analysts saying a genuine recovery is still up to two
years away.

"Orders at Paris could be a spark but expect a weak summer," said analysts at SG Cowen in a research note on Friday.

Boeing has scrapped plans for its futuristic high-speed Sonic Cruiser, the star of the 2001 show, and will be talking up its latest project -- the
super-efficient 7E7 which it hopes to begin delivering to airlines in 2008.

Airbus, which has been grabbing market share from its U.S. rival in recent years, has its own flagship in the works -- the 555-seat A380,
which has already garnered nearly 100 orders and is due in 2006.

"Do you end up going down the 7E7 route or the A380 route? We are in no rush to make up our minds," British Airways CEO Rod
Eddington told reporters on Thursday. "In the next two or three years we will get real clarity on where this debate is going."


Commentators here in Europe poit out that this will strengthen the European air industry a lot more.
This morning I heard on radio that contracts are doubled compared to last year - there are two sides to everything.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2003 05:58 am
a
Need a chuckle or two .....



YOU MIGHT BE A RIGHT WINGER IF ......


2 WAY TIE FOR FIRST PLACE


First prize winners:


...you'd rather screw the country than an intern.
- submitted by anonymous


...you have a borderline psychotic obsession with the fact that Bill Clinton was elected President. Twice. Fair and Square. Don't you tell me to "just get over it."
submitted by N.O.


3 WAY TIE FOR SECOND PLACE


Second Place Winners:


...while watching reruns of All In The Family, you wonder why the audience
laughs when Archie Bunker says something that "makes sense".
submitted by [email protected]


...you secretly suspect that J.C. Watts is the guy who stole your hubcaps at last year's RNC fundraiser.
submitted by [email protected]


...the person sitting next to you on the plane asks to be reseated in the overhead baggage compartment.
submitted by Bill Hamm




A ton more
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2003 07:34 am
...while watching reruns of All In The Family, you wonder why the audience laughs when Archie Bunker says something that "makes sense". submitted by [email protected]

That's the winner, I think, Gelis!
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