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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2003 06:00 pm
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U.S. Given Exemption From War Crimes
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 12:45 p.m. ET
UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- The U.N. Security Council on Thursday approved another one-year exemption for American peacekeepers from prosecution by the new international war crimes tribunal..... http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-UN-International-Court.html?pagewanted=print&position=
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 03:10 pm
He doesn't go after "tail" he goes after "kick stands" Twisted Evil
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 03:22 pm
I believe you all have this exemption bit wrong. The United States has simply stated that we will not participate in UN sponsored peacekeeping efforts in signatory countries without such an exemption. These countries have a full right to participate in the ICC treaty (but no right in my view to insist that it can be applied to the nationals of non-signatory nations ) and we have every right to make an exemption a precondition of our voluntary support of peacekeeping activities there.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 03:57 pm
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peacekeeping activities


What a sham!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 04:41 pm
Zmag has posted Amy Goodman's interview with Robert Fisk -- a fascinating upclose-and-personal look at Iraq and how liberation has become occupation.

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Anti-US Opposition In Iraq And The So Called Roadmap
An Interview with Robert Fisk

Democracy Now; June 12, 2003

On June 11, 2003, Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman interviewed Robert Fisk, reporter with the Independent newspaper of London. He recently left Iraq where he was chronicling the rising resistance to the U.S. occupation. Ten American soldiers have been killed in ambushes across Iraq in the past 15 days including one yesterday in Baghdad who was attacked with rocket propelled grenades. Fallujah has been a hotbed of Iraqi resistance since April when U.S. troops fired into large crowds of civilians twice killing at least 18 people. Democracy Now! is a national listener-sponsored radio and television program...
http://www.zmag.org/ZNET.htm
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 04:47 pm
Nothing like a welcoming committee after their liberation from Saddam. c.i.
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 08:01 pm
Tartarin said:

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Real physical disgust. I listened to some conservatives (not rads, old fashioned conservatives) the other day talking about how they have to switch off the TV and radio if Bush's face and voice comes on.


Why is this? I feel the same thing. He is a phony. He is different from what he was in earlier years. He has not grown in the job. He is a construct, built up by Rove et al, as the front man. His speeches begin to sound hysterical, with a ramping up anger, as did his talk today in Chicago.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 08:19 pm
One has to wonder if Dubya is two-faced because if he was, he certainly wouldn't be wearing that one.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 09:49 pm
Let's see, how many successes has this president had so far? Bad economy, bad war, bad road map, bad international relations, and bad speaker. Can't figure out why all those Americans are supporting this boob. c.i.
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 10:10 pm
Because they don't want to think.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 10:12 pm
Always consider the source. Very Happy
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 10:17 pm
LW, I'm afraid we are the "source." c.i.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 10:20 pm
Oh, I don't know, Kara. I thought he was beginning to look and sound a bit out of it. Been watching him lately - and something's missing.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 10:26 pm
Exactly, c.i. However, I did not vote for him even though I was reticent about even voting for Gore. Unfortunatley, the way the two-party system has monopolized our government, voting for an indendent (et al) is throwing one's vote away and often influences the outcome the way one didn't want to see it go.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2003 10:55 pm
LW, I'm gonna have to remember that lesson, because I didn't vote for either Bore or Bush. c.i.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 04:21 am
Regarding Americans not eating French fries or driving Mercedes:

Fascinating observation in the Newstatesman today by Andrew Stephen

"How much have these (anti European) attitudes filtered down from the top of the Administration?

...Rumsfeld said Germany has been a problem and France has been a problem...Old Europe. The epithet stuck and Germany and France - not Britaain, though it too would have been included had Blair wavered in his support of the war on Iraq - became old and enfeebled as well as wimpy and feminised.

Dubbya has been said to poin t out to visitors at the White House the chair in which Gerhard Schroder "sat and lied" when he promised not to capitalise on anti American feeling in Germany before he was re-elected chancellor on just such a platform.

The hatred for France and Germany has indeed been visceral, and has come from the very top...."

I can't believe this, are Americans really not squeezing French mustard on their bratwurst?

Mind you there is equal childishness, Serena Williams was booed and heckled at the French open and lost to Belgium's Justine Henin-Hardenne.

We Brits are of course above such things.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 04:32 am
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I can't believe this, are Americans really not squeezing French mustard on their bratwurst?


Never did, really . . . 'Mericans prefer the prepared yellow mustard variety, of which the most popular brand is, ironically, French's . . . those who go in for realstupidpolitik aren't likely to have ever been users of Gray Poupon, or the like . . . you don't hear this kind of thing about German products, which are probably more popular. People really had to scratch their heads on this one, to try to think of French products they could boycott. I told some of the idjits that Bic is a French company, so they should ditch their Bic pens and lighters--the largest selling brand of these items here. They usually had to think about that one, and then would deny it, pulling the pen and/or lighter they inevitably had in their pocket, and remarking that the inscription "Made in America" is to be found on them. I'd just give them an ironic look and say: "Fine, if you want the American branch to send all of its profits off to France, its no concern of mine." This always left them perplexed and a little dismayed--after, the mental calibre of those who subscribe to such horseshit is such that they are easily toyed with.

There are planks of this variety in every country--there is/was the National Front, after all, n'est-ce pas?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 04:56 am
Thanks Setanta, interesting. But I think you are confirming that at least anti French, or anti something or other which might have something to do with France, is a real phenomenum in the US. I thought 95% of it was apocraphyl (can't spell it but you know what I mean).

Also interesting that "blue collar types", if I may be so bold as to use such a generalisation seem to go for the anti mustard thing more than more thoughtful people. Its the other way round in Britain. Here its the middle class liberals who worried about buying South African apples (in the days of appartied). Working class people (another horrid generalisation, but how else do you describe a distinct group of people?) haven't got a clue, or don't care or can't read the label.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 05:06 am
Well, by god, this is a free country, and let no one stand in the way of neanderthal politics . . . stupidity is as much a inalienable right as are any of the others . . .

While not entirely apochr . . . hell, i can't spell it, either . . . it is much overrated . . . which was my point about Bic--only the dimmest wits were actively trying to boycott froggy products, and then found they likely didn't know where most of what they purchase originates, nor to whom the profits accrue . . .

H. L. Mencken, a famous American journalist wrote that no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public--i'd just add intelligence to that list, and make the statement universal . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2003 05:10 am
DO NOT BUY THIS SHEEP SUIT FOR YOUR CAT, IT'S FRENCH !

http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/2110342001/catprin/images/pop_hitsuji.jpg
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