Love....and it's source!

Questioner,

I'm speechless at your last answer.

Bart; If God is a loving God, how do you explain human suffering?

neologist wrote:

Bart; If God is a loving God, how do you explain human suffering?

If you give your child something they do not want or put them in a situation they do not like....is it not human suffering to them?

Is there anything of value to be gained by the suffering a child may endure?

Momma Angel wrote:

Questioner wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

Questioner,

But doesn't religion/God predate science?

Obviously. In the absence of adequate tools to gain answers, primitive man turns towards his own imagination to supply the info.

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The main reason religion exists is so that we have a method of explaining away the things Science can't currently tell us.

Okay, I'm confused. So, you think religion was made up long ago in the absence of science to explain everything and when man progressed he then came up with science to explain everything?

Essentially, yes.

Bartikus wrote:

neologist wrote:

Bart; If God is a loving God, how do you explain human suffering?

If you give your child something they do not want or put them in a situation they do not like....is it not human suffering to them?

Is there anything of value to be gained by the suffering a child may endure?

Silly question.

You don't inject a child with cancer and watch them die over a period of several months.

How does science explain love? Chemical...electrical impulses right? I guess a person's love can only be as strong as the meaning they attach to it.

Love is a word. What is important is the meaning behind it. Without it's meaning....love is....nothing.

Love comes from the same place hate comes from. Either they both come from God, or they are both produced by electrochemical processes in our brains.

So do you think hate comes from God? If so, why?

"The meaning and the reason for the emotion are immaterial."

Immaterial to what....to whom?

Questioner wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

neologist wrote:

Bart; If God is a loving God, how do you explain human suffering?

If you give your child something they do not want or put them in a situation they do not like....is it not human suffering to them?

Is there anything of value to be gained by the suffering a child may endure?

Silly question.

You don't inject a child with cancer and watch them die over a period of several months.

Who injects cancer?

Hate does not come from God but has allowed it temporarily. Hate cannot sustain itself forever by it's very nature it destroys. Like cancer....even death. Hate is felt and passed on by the hearts of men....it's source is different.

How can one regard the reason and meaning of love as immaterial and regard hate as anything else?

How can one be concerned about the effects of hate without love?

I guess it's hard to put into words, MommaA but I'll try.

To me love is paid for in a thousand tiny kindnesses every day and it can be a lot of hard work to both give and recieve. It isn't automatic. It is easy to say "I love you" but it is really hard to mean it.

Mo's mOther always says "I love you" to him on the rare occasion that we see her and I don't doubt she means it.

She left him here for "a few days" almost three years ago and never came back for him.

Is that "love"?


I rock him when he cries and stay up nights when he's sick and help him fight off his demons and tell him he can't have ice cream for breakfast (okay, once in a while he can) and teach him how not to be a bully and wipe his butt and tickle him silly and play endless rounds of Slap Jack with him and can recite Thomas the Train stories by heart.

I dare anyone to tell me that THIS is not love.

Love might be some cosmic, esoteric emotion but it is exhibited, given, and recieved in practical action.

THAT is how its earned.

Bartikus wrote:

Questioner wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

neologist wrote:

Bart; If God is a loving God, how do you explain human suffering?

If you give your child something they do not want or put them in a situation they do not like....is it not human suffering to them?

Is there anything of value to be gained by the suffering a child may endure?

Silly question.

You don't inject a child with cancer and watch them die over a period of several months.

Who injects cancer?

If we were to go along with your original analogy, that would be God.

Bartikus wrote:

Hate does not come from God but has allowed it temporarily. Hate cannot sustain itself forever by it's very nature it destroys. Like cancer....even death. Hate is felt and passed on by the hearts of men....it's source is different.

So where does hate come from, if not ultimately from God?