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Hey Brits, They're Going to be Watching You!!!!!

 
 
Foxfyre
 
Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2005 07:26 pm
Here's some survellance of another sort, and it is purported to be at least in part for purposes of national security and to combat terrorism. What do you Brits think about this? What do Americans and others think about this?

I've been seeing some paranoia among Americans regarding that wonderful little Onstar feature on GM automobiles. They worry that this could be used for less than noble purposes as well as helping you get out of a ditch in the middle of the night.

Does this all seem a bit Orwellian Big Brotherish? Or just something else to be paranoid about?

Britain will be first country to monitor every car journey
From 2006 Britain will be the first country where every journey by every car will be monitored
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Published: 22 December 2005

Britain is to become the first country in the world where the movements of all vehicles on the roads are recorded. A new national surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.

Using a network of cameras that can automatically read every passing number plate, the plan is to build a huge database of vehicle movements so that the police and security services can analyse any journey a driver has made over several years.

The network will incorporate thousands of existing CCTV cameras which are being converted to read number plates automatically night and day to provide 24/7 coverage of all motorways and main roads, as well as towns, cities, ports and petrol-station forecourts.

By next March a central database installed alongside the Police National Computer in Hendon, north London, will store the details of 35 million number-plate "reads" per day. These will include time, date and precise location, with camera sites monitored by global positioning satellites.

Already there are plans to extend the database by increasing the storage period to five years and by linking thousands of additional cameras so that details of up to 100 million number plates can be fed each day into the central databank.

Senior police officers have described the surveillance network as possibly the biggest advance in the technology of crime detection and prevention since the introduction of DNA fingerprinting.

But others concerned about civil liberties will be worried that the movements of millions of law-abiding people will soon be routinely recorded and kept on a central computer database for years.

The new national data centre of vehicle movements will form the basis of a sophisticated surveillance tool that lies at the heart of an operation designed to drive criminals off the road.

In the process, the data centre will provide unrivalled opportunities to gather intelligence data on the movements and associations of organised gangs and terrorist suspects whenever they use cars, vans or motorcycles.

The scheme is being orchestrated by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) and has the full backing of ministers who have sanctioned the spending of £24m this year on equipment.

More than 50 local authorities have signed agreements to allow the police to convert thousands of existing traffic cameras so they can read number plates automatically. The data will then be transmitted to Hendon via a secure police communications network.

Chief constables are also on the verge of brokering agreements with the Highways Agency, supermarkets and petrol station owners to incorporate their own CCTV cameras into the network. In addition to cross-checking each number plate against stolen and suspect vehicles held on the Police National Computer, the national data centre will also check whether each vehicle is lawfully licensed, insured and has a valid MoT test certificate.

"Every time you make a car journey already, you'll be on CCTV somewhere. The difference is that, in future, the car's index plates will be read as well," said Frank Whiteley, Chief Constable of Hertfordshire and chairman of the Acpo steering committee on automatic number plate recognition (ANPR).

"What the data centre should be able to tell you is where a vehicle was in the past and where it is now, whether it was or wasn't at a particular location, and the routes taken to and from those crime scenes. Particularly important are associated vehicles," Mr Whiteley said.

The term "associated vehicles" means analysing convoys of cars, vans or trucks to see who is driving alongside a vehicle that is already known to be of interest to the police. Criminals, for instance, will drive somewhere in a lawful vehicle, steal a car and then drive back in convoy to commit further crimes "You're not necessarily interested in the stolen vehicle. You're interested in what's moving with the stolen vehicle," Mr Whiteley explained.

According to a strategy document drawn up by Acpo, the national data centre in Hendon will be at the heart of a surveillance operation that should deny criminals the use of the roads.

"The intention is to create a comprehensive ANPR camera and reader infrastructure across the country to stop displacement of crime from area to area and to allow a comprehensive picture of vehicle movements to be captured," the Acpo strategy says.

"This development forms the basis of a 24/7 vehicle movement database that will revolutionise arrest, intelligence and crime investigation opportunities on a national basis," it says.

Mr Whiteley said MI5 will also use the database. "Clearly there are values for this in counter-terrorism," he said.

"The security services will use it for purposes that I frankly don't have access to. It's part of public protection. If the security services did not have access to this, we'd be negligent."

Britain is to become the first country in the world where the movements of all vehicles on the roads are recorded. A new national surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.

Using a network of cameras that can automatically read every passing number plate, the plan is to build a huge database of vehicle movements so that the police and security services can analyse any journey a driver has made over several years.

The network will incorporate thousands of existing CCTV cameras which are being converted to read number plates automatically night and day to provide 24/7 coverage of all motorways and main roads, as well as towns, cities, ports and petrol-station forecourts.

By next March a central database installed alongside the Police National Computer in Hendon, north London, will store the details of 35 million number-plate "reads" per day. These will include time, date and precise location, with camera sites monitored by global positioning satellites.

Already there are plans to extend the database by increasing the storage period to five years and by linking thousands of additional cameras so that details of up to 100 million number plates can be fed each day into the central databank.

Senior police officers have described the surveillance network as possibly the biggest advance in the technology of crime detection and prevention since the introduction of DNA fingerprinting.

But others concerned about civil liberties will be worried that the movements of millions of law-abiding people will soon be routinely recorded and kept on a central computer database for years.

The new national data centre of vehicle movements will form the basis of a sophisticated surveillance tool that lies at the heart of an operation designed to drive criminals off the road.

In the process, the data centre will provide unrivalled opportunities to gather intelligence data on the movements and associations of organised gangs and terrorist suspects whenever they use cars, vans or motorcycles.

The scheme is being orchestrated by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) and has the full backing of ministers who have sanctioned the spending of £24m this year on equipment.

More than 50 local authorities have signed agreements to allow the police to convert thousands of existing traffic cameras so they can read number plates automatically. The data will then be transmitted to Hendon via a secure police communications network.

Chief constables are also on the verge of brokering agreements with the Highways Agency, supermarkets and petrol station owners to incorporate their own CCTV cameras into the network. In addition to cross-checking each number plate against stolen and suspect vehicles held on the Police National Computer, the national data centre will also check whether each vehicle is lawfully licensed, insured and has a valid MoT test certificate.

"Every time you make a car journey already, you'll be on CCTV somewhere. The difference is that, in future, the car's index plates will be read as well," said Frank Whiteley, Chief Constable of Hertfordshire and chairman of the Acpo steering committee on automatic number plate recognition (ANPR).

"What the data centre should be able to tell you is where a vehicle was in the past and where it is now, whether it was or wasn't at a particular location, and the routes taken to and from those crime scenes. Particularly important are associated vehicles," Mr Whiteley said.

The term "associated vehicles" means analysing convoys of cars, vans or trucks to see who is driving alongside a vehicle that is already known to be of interest to the police. Criminals, for instance, will drive somewhere in a lawful vehicle, steal a car and then drive back in convoy to commit further crimes "You're not necessarily interested in the stolen vehicle. You're interested in what's moving with the stolen vehicle," Mr Whiteley explained.

According to a strategy document drawn up by Acpo, the national data centre in Hendon will be at the heart of a surveillance operation that should deny criminals the use of the roads.

"The intention is to create a comprehensive ANPR camera and reader infrastructure across the country to stop displacement of crime from area to area and to allow a comprehensive picture of vehicle movements to be captured," the Acpo strategy says.

"This development forms the basis of a 24/7 vehicle movement database that will revolutionise arrest, intelligence and crime investigation opportunities on a national basis," it says.

Mr Whiteley said MI5 will also use the database. "Clearly there are values for this in counter-terrorism," he said.

"The security services will use it for purposes that I frankly don't have access to. It's part of public protection. If the security services did not have access to this, we'd be negligent."
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article334686.ece
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rhymer
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 11:46 am
I have fitted a rotating selection of plates in advance of the introduction of this new idea!
Some are the registrations of politicians, so it will be interesting to see whether or not they get hounded for being in two places at the same time.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 11:53 am
This has been an issue for a long time as we who study the future of technology realize the privacy gap associated with computer control of traffic and automobiles.

If we ever wish to move to a more progressive (and hopefully safe) traffic system, there is little doubt that some system of measurement of milage/location will have to be instituted in order to manage said system with any level of efficiency. This will probably include some sort of satellite surveillance as well as local.

Think 'minority report' but less crazy.

The whole concept of privacy is really up in the air right now re: future technology.

Cycloptichorn
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 11:56 am
At the border crossings between Canada and the United States, OCR (optical character recognition) software is used. When you pull into the lane to the immigration booth, there is a camera which "reads" your plate, and the immigration agent has all the associated data on a screen in front of them. Although the application of specific technology may be new, the use of electronic systems and sophisticated software by partrolling police officers and at border crossings is hardly anything new.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 11:57 am
It's truee that the UK will be the first country monitoring every jourey by car - incorporating the ten-thousands of already existing CCTV cameras, which are a very common 'attribute' ro everyone's everyday life.


Our toll system does the very same since one year, although only on the autobahns (federal routes are in discussion) and only for lorries. (But since a number plate isn't different on cars, it certainly could work there as well.)
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 01:24 pm
I'm not too worried about this, going on our past record for things technological.
The Government will no doubt invest in the cheapest system, and the installers will be undertrained and probably point the cameras in the wrong direction.
The whole thing will go massively over budget, and there will probably be a delay in its implementation of about four years.
By this time we will have had a change of government, a new law passed on human rights that prohibit this type of surveillance and several new inventions regarding number plates, making them impossible to scan.

The London Olympics will then be in full swing, bringing their own exquisite form of cock ups and mismanagement, causing the whole car monitoring thing to be quietly swept under the carpet, only being resurrected after an efficient country like Germany has installed such a system, sorted out all the wrinkles, and sold the whole patented idea onto us for an exhorbitant amount of money.





Like I say..........it doesn't worry me at all, really.




<stands up and sings>
"There'll always be an England....while there's a country lane....."
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 03:30 pm
Lord Ellpus wrote:
I'm not too worried about this, going on our past record for things technological.
The Government will no doubt invest in the cheapest system, and the installers will be undertrained and probably point the cameras in the wrong direction.
The whole thing will go massively over budget, and there will probably be a delay in its implementation of about four years.
By this time we will have had a change of government, a new law passed on human rights that prohibit this type of surveillance and several new inventions regarding number plates, making them impossible to scan.

The London Olympics will then be in full swing, bringing their own exquisite form of cock ups and mismanagement, causing the whole car monitoring thing to be quietly swept under the carpet, only being resurrected after an efficient country like Germany has installed such a system, sorted out all the wrinkles, and sold the whole patented idea onto us for an exhorbitant amount of money.





Like I say..........it doesn't worry me at all, really.




<stands up and sings>
"There'll always be an England....while there's a country lane....."


Laughing

I liked the idea of rotating plates up there too.

Last week one of the radio talk shows--I honestly can't remember which one since I only get bits and pieces when working--had a representative from General Motors on explaining their reorganization and why it was necessary to be competitive in an international market. Many people called in to tell this guy that GM cars weren't selling because they either didn't hold their value or weren't reliable or didn't offer features Americans want or didn't look good or were having trouble overcoming a developed bad reputation.

I was surprised by two or three callers who objected to the Onstar feature that can track the automobile by satellite. I always thought it would be comforting to never have to call a locksmith to get my keys out of the car again or to be able to pinpoint my position when stranded on a dark road at midnight somewhere. But these people thought there was too much chance of Big Brother latching onto the signal for nefarious purposes. I can imagine these guys talking about the UK system of taking your picture everywhere you go.

But so far, nobody seems really concerned about it. That's interesting too.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 03:32 pm
Tracking technology has been part of the trucking industry for some time. Very handy at defence time.
Usually.
Unless the black box reveals some errrrrrrr problems.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 03:49 pm
Photos of our "latest export hit":

http://www1.ndr.de/container/ndr_style_images_default/0,2299,OID1881736,00.jpg http://zelos.zeit.de/bilder/online_aktuell/2005/15/maut_320x280.jpg
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 04:33 pm
.....and the very first exclusive picture of our state of the art roadside monitoring system.



















http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/lordellpus/vc.jpg
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 06:45 pm
Lord Ellpus wrote:
.....and the very first exclusive picture of our state of the art roadside monitoring system.















http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/lordellpus/vc.jpg



You know, I'm certain that is the very same man who burst in on Fifi and me in the motel room last night!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 07:10 pm
When I took news photography in college, I was actually trained on a camera just like that including the huge flash bulbs that you discarded after one use. If you could hold the camera still, the black and white prints produced would be so sharp and clear you could almost blow them up to billboard size without them getting fuzzy.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 12:06 am
I wonder if the US is supplying the technology.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 06:43 am
There's nothing like a large sized negative to reveal the real world. Which of course applies to Bush as well as photography.
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