Momma Angel wrote:If you give a hypothetical scenario to an animal (non-human), will it have the ability to reason it out?
Now, just how do you propose I go about doing that?
I don't propose you do it, echi. I am just trying to point out that you cannot give an animal a task that they have to reason out.
Sure you can, just not a hypothetical one. All animals are problem-solvers, some even tool-makers.
But I still don't get what the topic is, here.
Well, I think we got a bit off topic. The topic is that Doktor S says he is a Satanist, and, as a Satanist he thinks he is a god and no one commits any selfless act.
Dok, did that cover it?
I did indeed say those things.
But the 'topic' was supposed to be discussion of autotheism in general.
Cool. echi, Doktor S is the one that started this thread. He can probably steer you in the right direction.
The only selfless acts, as kicky pointed out, are those done without conscious thought (on instinct). But isn't human instinct what ya'll have been arguing against? ("Ya'll" being the ones promoting the idea of "selflessness")
I contend that conscious thought does not have to play a part. Conscious thought is only a gear in the machine.
Humans are driven by rational self interest on more levels than the conscious.
Dok--
The way I understood Kickycan's point is that the ego/self is only on the conscious level. Anything below that (more subtle) we have no direct awareness of and cannot consider it as part of the ego/self. So any action that is motivated by that unconscious level could be considered a "selfless act".
So....DoktorS
I was just wondering.....do you know Kundalini?
Hmm....and what does your name stand for?
Where did that quote come from?
Echi,
I disagree, because I fail to see a distinction between the conscious and unconscious in regards to 'self'
Everything we are, conscious and unconscious, is 'us'
I think the conscious is an extension of the unconscious, and can act as a motivator for conscious action.
So An act 'without a thought' is still being motivated by self interest. Imagine you fell out of a window. You would instinctively try to grab something, probably without thinking about it. What would be the motivator?
Quote:Not at all, I'm actually quite adept at buisness and financial matters. But that isn't really relevant...
That's funny, he doesn't get it.
oh
ahem
Quote:Not at all, I'm actually quite adept at buisness and financial matters. But that isn't really relevant...
That's funny, he doesn't get it.
oh
ahem
carry on
Ok, I'm the other one, when you put someone's quote out there, you need to put the userid of the one that quoted it.
itoo,
LoL..that you would attempt some sort of posture of intellectual superiority is amusing.
Do not try to interpret that which is beyond your means.
I understood full well what he was talking about, I am brilliant, after all.
Ok, you guys keep losing me. I don't know whose quotes are being used and I don't know who is answering who.
Quote:I have to agree with kickycan there. Kicky, we've been doing a lot of that lately.
Yeah, MA....KK's pretty smart. :wink:
Yes, he is. I love his sense of humor too.
