Echi,
The 'knee jerk' is part of the reason we use the label.
It tends to filter out the narrow minded and mentally unflexible.
echi, sorry...I'm Christian.
Oooohhh, look out everyone. I may hurt you, lol.
Yeah I've heard of it, but not quite like you've described.
Kundalini is a feminine-energy serpent, coiled at the base of the spine. The goal is to encourage this serpent to uncoil and rise up to the top of the skull, unlocking the chakras along the way. It's achieved through meditation and I've read that it can be dangerous if you don't know exactly what you're doing. But I don't think practicioners necessarily consider themselves gods. Where did you get that idea?
other one--
So what do you make of the "supernatural" events taught to you by your church? Do you, or have you ever wondered about it?
Ok...to all involved in this conversation...goodnight.
I will return tommorow after work!
I'm the other one wrote:kundalini...
The ones who've experienced it, believe they have attained spiritual assension. From 2 dna strands, to 12 or more.
They say they too are gods.
I was just wondering if anyone's heard of it.
That's where you wear a tinfoil hat while doing yoga, right?
Quote:Yeah I've heard of it, but not quite like you've described.
Kundalini is a feminine-energy serpent, coiled at the base of the spine. The goal is to encourage this serpent to uncoil and rise up to the top of the skull, unlocking the chakras along the way. It's achieved through meditation and I've read that it can be dangerous if you don't know exactly what you're doing. But I don't think practicioners necessarily consider themselves gods. Where did you get that idea?
echi, you're right. Then there's more. I'm sorry, but I don't find that study as important anymore, so I don't spend time searching the things I use to. You can do a search on the net to find more answers if you need to.
If you recognize the sign of kundalini, you will see that doctors use it in their offices.
I better stop with that. :wink:
Wanda
neo, I've heard of the tinfoil hat, but not while doing yoga, LOL. I think it protects the mind from outside influences, if ya know what I mean.
Yes, it's the yoga thing.
They even have animal yoga now too.
Wanda
There are healings in our church.
I know where they come from.
One lady had cancer 3 times, threw up the cancer the last time after the hands on healing.
The pastor's wife had crohme's (sp) disease.
Other forms of cancer when the doctors say there is no hope, cured.
Not in our church but a testimony was given of a man whose leg was shorter than the other (more than the normal human) and it grew in front of the church members to the right length.
Diabetes I think, altho this happened before I got there, the others told me. I do believe this tho.
People getting up from their wheelchair to walk.
There's lots of accounts of healings thruout the ages. Not that anyone would see it as evidence til they saw it themselves, and then they'd wonder.
He's also performed exorcisms.
I've felt the anointing and it's very powerful. My ex use to be a nonbeliever, a highly strong one too, he got annointed and he fell to the floor in shock. He no longer wonders. He's not one to just put on a show either.
We're telling some of our friends and relatives so they too can be healed, if their faith is strong enough, I believe it will happen.
Will tell more on that later.
Wanda
I'd really like to see this thread get back on topic. Dok's thesis goes to the very heart of Judeo-Christian theology.
Momma Angel wrote:neologist wrote:I'd really like to see this thread get back on topic. Dok's thesis goes to the very heart of Judeo-Christian theology.
Neo,
Could you explain that?
Please do. I too am rather curious.
Briefly:
The name of the tree in the garden of Eden was the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Adam and Eve already had a built in conscience which would have prevented them from moral wrong. The only free moral choice they had was whether or not to accept God's sovereignty, his right to set standards for them.
Satan's contention was that they would be better off if they were able to set their own standards. You've heard the unbelievers on this board caterwauling about how God supposedly withheld this important knowledge and that was the cause of their sin, that they sinned because they were naive or imperfect.
And you've heard many say that Adam and Eve really had no choice at all, that God was/is a tyrant and man a helpless puppet whose pain gives God some sadistic pleasure.
Well, in denying free will and claiming that we are each a moral law unto ourselves, and that by some deterministic social contract we have somehow managed to keep from annihilating each other, we validate Satan's claim.
Just a small contention.
'Satan' wasn't even invented until the 1600s. Before that, all biblical reference to the word was used to describe whatever adversary the jewish people were facing within the context of individual stories. Satan was never meant to be a proper name, or even a title. It means adversary, opposer, or accuser.
'Satan' was invented by the catholic church as a boogeyman to scare the unrepentant and shallow-pocketed.
Just for the record, hey neo..what religion do you subscribe to. Please don't get generic and say 'christianity' because you obviously aren't the 'vanilla' brand.
I'm talking about the Satan who challenged Jehovah in the book of Job. The one who contended that Job only served God out of selfishness.
Yes, Satan does mean 'rebel' and devil does mean 'slanderer'. But Adam means 'man'
And Jesus means 'Jehovah's salvation'.
It must have been in the Free Will thread that I marveled how a Satanist and a Jehovah's Witness could have a civil conversation and echi couldn't figure out who was who.
Anyhow, I'm the Witness of Jehovah who finds your arguments refreshingly clear, albeit flawed.
Ahh, well I must admit I am not too surprised.
Although admittedly I know very little about your brand of christianity. Isn't there a cap to how many can be saved in your religion? I've always liked that one point, no so egalitarian as the rest.
Short answer:
If you reflect on the first 3 chapters of Genesis, you will understand God's purpose was for man to live 'to time indefinite' on the earth. If Adam and Eve had not sinned, they would still be here and we would have no war or crime or sickness or death.
God did not abandon his purpose. I, for one, hope to remain on earth. If I die, my hope is to be included in the resurrection. In fact, no one is forgotten. Resurrection is promised to all; even those who never knew God will have an opportunity to live the life Adam and Eve lost. (John 5:28)
But the bible also speaks of a heavenly hope. The book of Revelation (ch 20, vs 6) indicates that there will be those who ". . . will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years. The number of these is thought to be set at 144,000 (Revelation 7:4)
The choice for us now is the same as it was for Adam and Eve: If we are willing to subject ourselves to God's authority, we have the prospect of life. If not, death.
More to it, of course.
Honestly, if I thought the bible was any more than a semi-historical work of literature, I would probably hold a belief set closer to yours than the 'vanilla' brand.
I am curious about this...
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even those who never knew God will have an opportunity to live the life Adam and Eve lost.
So by your belief-set, everyone gets a chance at eternal life. If that's the case, why should anyone bother with the whole religion thing at all?
Doktor S wrote:Honestly, if I thought the bible was any more than a semi-historical work of literature, I would probably hold a belief set closer to yours than the 'vanilla' brand.
I am curious about this...
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even those who never knew God will have an opportunity to live the life Adam and Eve lost.
So by your belief-set, everyone gets a chance at eternal life. If that's the case, why should anyone bother with the whole religion thing at all?
I should always remember to say I am not qualified to be a representative of the Watchtower Society. Everything I say should be tested. (Of course, everything anybody tells you should be tested.)
The bible does not promise universal salvation, only universal opportunity.
