kickycan
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 10:40 am
So when you are sleeping, and somebody comes into your house and robs you, what happened? I mean, if when you aren't percieving it, it's not there, then how do you explain to yourself what the hell happened to all your ****?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 10:45 am
Your perceptual universe can only tell you of what you are percieving..which isn't a lot when your eyes are closed and your brain is dormant.
Look, I have never once made claims of solipsism or supernatural powers..lets keep this serious ok?
If you have trouble separating 'subjective universe' from 'the universe', try harder.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 10:53 am
Re: Autotheism.
Okay then.

Doktor S wrote:
God is omnipresent, god makes the final decision about what his world will compose of.


You don't make the final decision what your world will be composed of. Outside forces are always changing the world you live in, and you are reacting to those outside forces.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 11:01 am
I have a greater degree of control over my own life than any other entity or situation does. I still remain most qualified for godhood over my own universe.
That 'my universe' is subject to outside influence is beside the point.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 02:27 pm
I am one of a 100,000,000 clowns looking for answers. A large number of those clowns will fill this need for answers from a god or religion. They close the door on us (and themselves) as you may be doing.

There is all kinds of stuff wrong with egocentrism.

Do you take your philosophy from Anton LeVay?
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CrazyDiamond
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 02:33 pm
Well I'd say so. He did say he was a Satanist.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 02:55 pm
Where. Am I blind?
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 04:37 pm
echi wrote:
real life wrote:
echi wrote:
He could be omnipresent if his entire world consisted only of wherever he is at any moment. (Right?)
Or, he could be omnipresent if he considered himself to be part of everything that exists.


He could consider himself such. But if we want to talk to anyone other than ourselves and be understood, it is usually best to use a commonly understood definition.

If you wanna make it up as you go along, my toddler does the same. Perhaps we can arrange a play day. Um, no never mind.
Laughing

He wouldn't be making up his own definition. The word "omnipresent" would just apply differently to him if he really had such a world view.But the proper definition of the word, I think, would still hold.


Well, Echi , turns out you are correct. Our friend with the swastika does also have a unique definition of "universe" to accompany his unique definition of "omnipresent".

Of course, he still can't claim (and to be fair, he doesn't claim) to be omniscient or omnipotent even in his own little universe.

So his unique definition of God, even if applied only to his little universe must (surprise!) also be different from the normal definition of God as One who is all powerful, all knowing, etc.

So if you accept his unusual definition of universe, his unusual definition of omnipresent and his unusual definition of God, well hey.........I guess we don't disagree at all.

Just don't get into a business deal with him or anyone like him. He probably has an unusual definition of "partnership", "agreement", "contract", "money", "performance", "profit", "responsibility", "liability", etc.
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echi
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 05:21 pm
real life wrote:


Just don't get into a business deal with him or anyone like him. He probably has an unusual definition of "partnership", "agreement", "contract", "money", "performance", "profit", "responsibility", "liability", etc.


Hysterical!
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 05:32 pm
Not at all, I'm actually quite adept at buisness and financial matters. But that isn't really relevant...
As I mentioned, I define religion as a purely biological evolutionary construct, a desire to be sated. I just feel people are going about it in a rather unpragmatic manner.
We have one group, who build an extensive fantasy world and lose complete touch with reality.
We have another that denys the need for religion and dogma entirely. My way is to look at it from the third side. The point, of course, is psychological wellness and a sense of empowerment. Autodeification makes it possible to find power from within that you will never find 'out there', because there is really nothing 'out there'
Of course, this is all just opinion..but I at least am drawing from a rational base. Can theists say likewise?
I glorify my ego because I am my ego and there are none more worthy to me.
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echi
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 05:37 pm
Dok--
Are you afraid that at some point you may have to let go of your ego? Or are you afraid that something might happen to you that your ego is not able to endure?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 05:40 pm
Amigo wrote:
I am one of a 100,000,000 clowns looking for answers. A large number of those clowns will fill this need for answers from a god or religion. They close the door on us (and themselves) as you may be doing.

What 'door' may I be closing, and why would that be a bad thing? I don't need those 99,999,999 clowns bothering me anyway.
Quote:

There is all kinds of stuff wrong with egocentrism.

Tell me, do you believe there is such thing as altruism? I don't.
Tell me anything anyone has done that was free of self interest...
Quote:

Do you take your philosophy from Anton LeVay?

It's LaVey.
Yes, I am a Satanist
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 05:41 pm
echi wrote:
Dok--
Are you afraid that at some point you may have to let go of your ego? Or are you afraid that something might happen to you that your ego is not able to endure?

Ego means 'self'
I can't imagine ever 'letting go of myself' short of dying, and I'm certainly in no hurry there!
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echi
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 05:54 pm
Doktor S wrote:
echi wrote:
Dok--
Are you afraid that at some point you may have to let go of your ego? Or are you afraid that something might happen to you that your ego is not able to endure?

Ego means 'self'
I can't imagine ever 'letting go of myself' short of dying, and I'm certainly in no hurry there!

Yeah, dying is a perfect example. I'm in hurry, either, but I figure it'll happen just the same. (Ego=self) Sure, I have no objection there. But when you let it go, what's left?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 06:00 pm
If you let yourself go?
What's left?
A rotting corpse.

If you mean 'let yourself go' in an eastern mysticism sort of deny the self become one with everything way...
Well I think I'd rather be the corpse.
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echi
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 06:05 pm
Well, you don't really believe you would leave behind a corpse, do you? You would not have any awareness of it, so it wouldn't exist. Is that accurate?
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echi
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 06:08 pm
BTW, Dok--
My computer locked-up on me yesterday while I was trying to respond to your post. Damn machines.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 06:10 pm
Doktor S,

You are a Satanist?
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 06:26 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Doktor S,

You are a Satanist?


Doktor S wrote:
Yes, I am a Satanist.
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CrazyDiamond
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 06:27 pm
Amigo wrote:
Where. Am I blind?

No, sorry Amigo. He said it in another thread.
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